但是鏈上有版本控制這些嗎？

就是把它當作一個是終極公有的地方這樣子？

你現在上鏈的目的是什麼？

我們當年工具跟基礎建設也沒有辦法配合。

對！所以今天是來懷舊的。

你們有想要開源？

需要禮尚往來，但是我沒有辦法代表回應什麼。

不然這樣我有六頂帽子，這樣很尷尬，不知道回去會被誰 K。

先講清楚，我是個人來聊天，只能代表我自己。沒有代表任何一個特定團體或組織或社群的意思。要請雅婷先紀錄下來。

可以先聊這個沒有問題。

I was checking that.

So it works.

You can also use the status as a political…

What?

Not yet, because there is only the choice of nationality for “China”.

Should I get one before I talk? Because they would not accept my Taiwan passport.

Yeah. But I’m not sure I can check in with –

Because our proposal for a panel was selected.

Yeah. So that’s a discussion right after your talk.

Yeah, a panel.

And I’m not sure if this helps what you are thinking about or how we should design the process after the event. So, it would be more like… the workshop would be the first survey. And then, we will have another survey after we have this more concrete deliberation process.

And I think after that, we can host another maybe online meeting to aggregate more opinion. We will release these two different reports. They might be the same. They might be different. But we will have a comparison about the opinions or the reports by the human being and by ...

But what we would like to do is we will come out report opinion conclusion and the cluster worked by the human being… by the facilitator. And we also will use the data sets to Talk to the City to generate the report.

I think we would do… I discussed with facilitator of the workshop. The conclusion is that we don’t think pre-event survey would be a good thing to do because it’s kind of out of context. And it might interfere the chemistry happening in the workshop.

Okay. I was very excited. Because I actually have a very good result from this interview. So, I’m looking forward to what the model would be like.

You don’t have to finish… But it would be great if we have something to try maybe by early December or even mid-December. That would be wonderful. But I will send you the data set once we finish that.

I have two interview transcripts, and I’m going to do another one tomorrow afternoon. And I think by the end of next week, I will have maybe four or five.

So, I’m not sure if I input that opinion and then maybe this transcript for like four or five-hour long data set. Then could people just ask questions to the model? And, the model can respond to their question according to this people’s opinion. Yeah, I’m not sure if we ...

Oh, okay. Because the topic of the first workshop is about large language model in Taiwan, so we have a lot of discussion. And I actually do interview before the workshop already. So, I would like to input all of this transcript of our interviews to these opinion leaders here.

Yeah, so if that could happen before December, then that would be wonderful. We would definitely want to try that.

But actually, we don’t have a concrete conclusion yet. So. we are also discussing about the discourse and also discussing about Polis. And also, there’s someone proposing using Slido. But I think… oh, and also Google platform. So, there’s a lot of possibilities that we’re still discussing. But the main ...

Actually, I want to have a report which would reflect and provide information for people who have not participated in the workshop to know what happened on the workshop and to join the continual discussion online. So, we are figuring out how to design this process and how to do ...

Yeah. Actually, for now, this week I shared the Talk to the City demo with Ronny and other people in the project. And also, we are discussing about what kinds of data sets we can produce for this tool. So now, we are only thinking about…

December 9th.

Okay. Then, I think we can talk there and I will send you the forms for you to register. But the thing is, the short talk will be, I think it’s 2pm in Taiwan. So, when is your time zone for…

Yeah. I will register a talk for you and I think we can, would you mind joining the Slack for now? Or we still continue our discussion in Signal?

Yeah. I think I will send you the link later and you can let me know where the Chinese version came from.

Yeah. I think that’s one of the very important things that we want to continue to co-work together to improve the tools. I think we need to have a format to record the process we test the records, so we can learn from each other’s experiences.

No, no. I mean I got a report in traditional Chinese on the website, so I just want to make sure how this come out.

Oh, okay. But here is a Chinese version. So that’s a report that [was] translated into Chinese version?

Or if vTaiwan want to host the whole discussion, I think that would be good. But for AI project, we are now focusing on created data and also, we are trying to find out what the report would look like. Yeah, so we are testing with the existing data sets ...

Yeah. Because I think for now, we need more people with AI engineering backgrounds in the g0v community and also who like to play with data. We have these two kinds of people in the community, but I find that they are not aware about this project, Talk to the ...

Already have a lot of different tools. Yeah.

Because if you set up the channel now, I think no one knows what that’s about. And also, there are other tools about civic participation. There is a project called Join Plus. There is actually a lot of different tools this year. And we are members of that project. I ...

Personally, I would like to maybe after they share and introduce the project, then we set up a channel.

Have interest on a lot of different topics. I totally agree. I think that would be a very good place for continuing working to collaboration. And I also think we will need a page on HackMD to describe what’s going on if we want to propose this in g0v community.

But yeah, but what I want to say is that I think this school is not only for AI discussion, but that is AI Academy focused on. But vTaiwan and also g0v community, they are not only focused on AI.

And also, I think what you can corroborate with vTaiwan is not only about the subject of AI discussion, because there are so many different topics and the declarations. I talked to Ronnie and he said he will try to… He actually has the data sets of join.gov.tw platform. There ...

But engineers who knows about how to contribute to the event might chat like AI learning or general or random. So, I think that would be wonderful if we can set up or maybe just register a short talk in the next g0V capsule, which will happen in December 9th. ...

Then, I think it would be great that we have a chance to introduce these tools to the general g0v community, not only to the vTaiwan people, because I would say most engineers are not in the vTaiwan chat room.