As for interagency, well, I am actually, in addition to the Minister of Digital Affairs, also chair of National Cyber Security Institute. I’m also chair of NISC, and also the cabinet CIO. So, I have three levels of access. And so, if I need, for example, to work with the CIO, which are all deputy ministers in other ministries, I can use my cabinet email to have this interagency meeting. And conversely, I can also work at universities and so on that want to do cybersecurity research and so on through my NISC chairperson personality and without this Minister of Digital Affairs boundary between the public sector and academia.

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