Cheers. Bye.

Have a good local time then.

Of course. This is just to make sure that the new schedule works for both of us. It turns out it works better for both of us.

Once you finish editing, we usually just publish the same format as the Preciado transcripts that I just posted you, so that this can serve as context to everybody else after this.

Here is mine. Feel free just to write directly. Also, feel free to use this transcript because I’ll be making a transcript of our conversation we had just now. Feel free to just use it as a context because you get to edit it for 10 days. We don’t publish ...

Sure, of course. Then because it’s so fortunately placed in later in the date, we can have several pilots and see how it goes.

You’re invited cordially to get a pair of mask and witness within 30-second that it depletes by two. [laughs] That is a symbol of public trust. Anything we make will have probably have that nature. That’s fine. It’s a natural byproduct.

No, if we do something, it will be something interactive. By interactive, I mean the visual mode will probably be part of it. It will, by default, fit into gallery, although it will not be static. Anything that we make, including the mask map that I just show you, are ...

It’s just my office, and my home is 10 minutes’ walk from the office. [laughs] It’s not too much for me to promise.

I’m happy, too, to work actually within…As I said, the office that I have is within the Contemporary Culture Lab. There’s plenty of resource there, as Shu Lea have witnessed. If Jesse or anyone want to make a trip to Taiwan, they can be resident artists, and we can meet ...

Just email me directly. Let’s keep open the possibility of me flying either from Nova Scotia or from New York City.

Also, a poetician.

I’m the technologist. Just checking.

No problem. I’ll be paired as a technologist or as a artist? [laughs]

No. I like meeting new people. I didn’t have any experience with Preciado. It’s just Shu Lea put us together. Something like that I think will definitely work.

There’s also a kind of immersive soundscape studio lab that is just exhibited a few…We can be in different cities, but because of this high-quality immersive sound, we can feel like we’re in the same room and things like that. It’s all very natural, I guess, for me to work ...

Yes, because my office was within the Taiwan C-LAB, the Contemporary Culture Lab, in which Shu Lea did the sleep project. I’m very close, literally walking one-minute distance from these cutting edge, our stuff.

Just a second. I’ll be back in 30 seconds. Just a second.

That’s right. I am the person who puts the most people to sleep.

Here is the transcripts if you don’t have copious time. I think anything along this line is good to me because it’s the native merge that I operate. From the text, “The Letter to the translator,” the “11 Dreams,” and things like that, that I just had a glance from ...

We did that on the Taipei Contemporary Art Museum as well. It’s a real-time talk/performance that we call it democracy and transition, but we actually talk about anything but democracy. [laughs] Here is the recording if you have copious time.

I just had a look. I think that will work. I had a conversation with Paul Preciado on 3x3x6 that’s been used by any other. I don’t know whether you had a chance to check that out because it’s I think really well-configured. Shu Lea Cheang, our common friend, arranged ...

If it’s already on the rhizome.org, then you can assume that I’ve read it.

Of course. Yes.

Sure.

That’s right. It’s becoming like a symbol of protection.

This intervention is not just speculative design or mechanism design, it’s actually quite inspirational in terms of the various application that people make out of these data. It’s like visualization as art.

All in all, I think it’s a interesting art project even [laughs] if we just show the dashboard, the time series, the various issues around the demand and supply and how people’s behavior change before and after this transparency of the stock to quell the panic, fear, uncertainty, doubt, and ...

I facilitated it. I didn’t personally code anything other than the list of applications. I did the map, not the territory. It’s quite artsy, actually. The various layouts that I just posted you that you can get from this map, where every 30 seconds, the stock level just depletes in ...

It’s roughly the same amounts of flight as compared to Taiwan. It’s that I’m already overseas anyway. I can make it a prolonged trip if there is funding for me to fly to New York, to your site.

Just update on my side, I will be in Nova Scotia, Canada by the end of September. I may actually be in New York City right afterward, which is late September. There is a chance that it may be possible for me to participate in person. Not because it’s easier ...

Good.

Of course. We’re not actually 100 percent set on the…This date will be the final date, or are you already finalized, the date?

That’s awesome.

That is still the case even if it’s postponed to October?

I’m really happy to meet you in videoconference. Just as a quick question, I received an invitation saying that it will be in, what, Sweden? In Norway, in Nordic countries?

Cheers, thank you.

That’s right.

Which means probably that they will have people in English.

The 1999, I think, have had for five years now a free interpretation service.

Huh.

In Taipei City, you just call 1999 or something.

A what?

Sure, it’s fine.

There is no Nobel Prize in our field, either. [laughs]

Right. Any recognition would do. It doesn’t have to be an international award, like the Nobel Prize or something.

It could be domestic. Whether it qualifies as major or not, that’s up to the Science and Technology Ministry, Economy Ministry, or whatever. There is a jury panel. The MLL will strongly prefer if you have something.

Of course, they would strongly prefer that you have a professional field award. It could be not necessarily internal. It could be an internal, domestic recognition. It can be a, like in the Perl community, we used to have this White Camel Award, which is just the community giving to ...

The content may actually say that, “In my field, there is no such thing as patents.”

Things like that. Basically, for the Ministry of Labor, what’s required is just this procedure requirement that, for each of these tick boxes, they have to have an A4 paper or something. That’s just a procedural requirement.