Okay. Thank you.

And if the democracies work closely enough, maybe someday the PRC would drop their anti-secession law.

Excellent. We need all the help we can get from the democratic allies.

Yes. Very, very new.

It started last week.

If you make significant contribution for five years, because it’s renewable, on your second gold card term, and if you’re willing, we’re also giving you a passport of the R.O.C citizenship without you giving up the original passport. So, a dual citizenship. And that is, again, something that’s very new. ...

So, what we’re trying to do with the digital gold card is to make a culture of being also Taiwanese, just like I’m wearing this because I’m a Lithuanian e-resident. And the Lithuanian Ministry of Economic and Innovation gave me this T-shirt that says “labàdienà”. Because I was participating in ...

You get multiple entry and you get to use this special gold card venues and things like that.

And this is quite different from the previous wave of gold card, which is aimed at professionals in their 40s and 50s. This is the first time that we’re issuing gold cards targeting people at their 20s. And those foreign talent can work anywhere anyway, right? They’re digital nomads. So, ...

Well, if you’re someone with eight years of contributions to the digital world, like if you have a GitHub project that is more than eight years old, well, you can get a Taiwanese gold card. So, even if you’re just 20 something, if you already in high school, like I ...

The one takeaway?

That’s all us. And the behavior part is shared by multiple competent authorities. And the content part is all NCC.

It is ABC, right? Actor Behavioral Content. So, we’re on the A part.

What we are doing, though, is on the actor and behavior level. As I mentioned, the digital signature work that we’re doing to make it harder to impersonate 5,000 people at once and things like that. So, we tend to work on the upstream. That is to say to prevent ...

But we make it very clear that we’re not 新聞局 — we’re not revoking anyone’s licenses and we’re not saying this is news or that is not news. We’re not doing any content layer judgments. That belongs to the NCC.

For the National Institute of Cybersecurity, we take a comprehensive view on FIMI, Foreign Information Manipulation and Interference. The adversary is coordinated and so should be the defense. So, although it is not in our ministerial mandate, it is in the institute mandate because the National Institute of Cybersecurity also ...

And that is the core of the vision.

Of course, we have to sort our 20 national languages first, but it does carry the possibility of bridging across divide in a systemic way, and the peacemaking potential of internet is paramount. On the other hand, of course, we also see that under the wrong incentives, it will also ...

and with the contributions of the participatory policymaking community, including the Twitter community notes, actually, and the language models fostering transcultural dialogues.

So, to me, the space that is digital embodies the promise that people who are very far away in terms of ideology, culture, ethnicity or whatever can be bridged by the space. And that’s the original promise of internet. It’s called the end-to-end principle,

Yes. Plurality, or collaborative diversity is a wordplay because “數位” in Mandarin means both digital and plural. Shu wei as in several, right? “數位部長”.

I’m writing a book on that. It will be posted on plurality.net.

And the DFI too. I think it really helped a lot in Taiwan.

Yes.

So, by participating as partners or democracies, we are full members but we don’t need to do this whole country/area/jurisdiction/regime dance. And this is quite fresh to me. And so far, we don’t have any problem directly pinging my counterparts under this state are part of this multistakeholder system of ...

It almost changed overnight with the Ukraine situation. It used to be that we had to sort… I was once in an open government partnership meeting before the Ukraine situation and I was representing Taiwan as a civil society organization, Taiwan as a CSO. And there are many contortions like ...

It’s pretty easy now.

So, that’s pretty much it. The infrastructure level, the communication level, and the standard setting level.

The incubator will start later this year, and hopefully by next year we’ll have a GDPR compatibility. So, we need legal support there as well to recognize essentially Taiwan as part of the CBPR and GDPR system, so that the data can still flow freely with trust.

So, the EU sponsors a lot of privacy-enhancing technologies, verifiable credentials, decentralized identifiers, and so on, so that you can prove you’re a human or you’re 18 years old or whatever without revealing anything about yourself. And we do need to adopt that, especially that we’re going to have a ...

And for example, we’re also the competent authority for the Digital Signature Act. And so we do need, for example, to cross-recognize with the European, with the U.S. digital signature trust systems because that’s going to be the ongoing digital signature, and going to be the go-to solution to the ...

Sure. So, we mentioned the critical infrastructure. The private sector stepping in as essentially critical infrastructure providers. That is for the short term. In the rollout of ZTA, the Zero Trust Architecture, we cannot do it alone. We must work with the NIST and CMMCs of the world to make ...

So, the startup and SMEs and so on, that’s the economy affairs. But for us, we’re working on digital resilience for all. So, we have significant amount of subsidies and so on that goes in the digital transformation of those local civil groups which is outside of MOEA’s purview, but ...

Yes. And I think that is also why we’re sorted into the Transportation Committee because transportation, critical infrastructure, national security and cybersecurity and so on are the purviews of that committee. We didn’t get sorted into the economy subcommittee because well, the Ministry of Economic Affairs is still there. This ...

You mean like, what would we do next if the PRC regime repeals its anti-secession law?

Yes. Because many of us came from NCC. Our vice minister 葉寧 came from NCC. And two of our departments did. So, we are very intentional in designing our mandates to not overlap that of NCC, in particular internet broadcasting regulation. So, any of the supervisory role belongs squarely in ...

It’s in the news. Yeah.

Like the recent ruling on CTiTV?

Last year, every time they interpellated NCC they invited me in because they think somehow I’m part of that. But this session not anymore, so we’re not confused with the NCC.

So, this time around I think because we’re in the transportation committee in the LY.

That is to say we’re non-partisan in our nature and we’re not interested in meddling with the election at all. We’re just interested in countering FIMI and not in helping any party win. And I made a point of attending none of the rallies. I never attended any party rallies ...

Yeah. We made it quite clear because we founded last August which is close to another election, Mayoral election. So, we made a point of… for example all the directors, generals and administrators can theoretically be appointed by me from someone outside of public service. But I made a point ...

All parties are supportive.

Oh yeah. Pan-parties.

I think it’s pretty good.

Yeah. So, in terms of full-time public service staff, it’s close to 600 people, but that doesn’t count the NICS which is another few hundreds people. So, all in all we have close to a thousand full-time staff.

In the scam world already. There’s very convincing voice cloning already. And video cloning there is… because video cloning currently is still quite compute intense, so I suspect that as the techniques goes easier on the hardware which is improving by the day, maybe by the next month or so, ...

So, the main difference is that what used to be broadcast-level disinformation that requires going viral and therefore detectable can be now done like spearphishing in a precision level. So, individualized interactive persuasion at a scale of viral videos. That is an emerging threat vector enabled by language models.

So, a lot of our work now in addition to resilience of all, is just the cyber awareness of everyone that basically picture and it doesn’t happen video and it doesn’t happen. Everything can be synthetic now. And we have pretty good reason to believe in my book here actually ...

So, in terms of FIMI, we have seen a lot in the scam front of the new use of voice cloning and also behavior cloning. So, for example, people would receive a phone call and they will answer it. And with just a few seconds of voice print, now AI ...