So during that decade, many people started organizing politically but they cannot run for president, right. They cannot run for meaningful national elections. So they tried local associations or they focused on environmental work or labor right movement or consumer right movement and so on. So the NGOs and NPOs that defined that decade later on would of course become very important sources for political change once we actually get to vote for our president. But the main legitimacy is in the civil society. So the Taiwanese entrepreneurs around that time put a strong emphasis on cultivating relations. Nowadays we’ll say CSR or ESG or things like that. But back then maybe it’s just community relationships become very important for Taiwanese people because that’s when people start to politically organize and there was no meaningful opposition party anyway during that time until later DPP became more powerful, right? So during that decade, when we say a company tries to be good to the community, it’s also that the company is trying to organize some lobbying power politically, which is very different from the martial law way, which works very differently. It’s a kind of privileged system. Right? [laughter] So to your point, I think Taiwanese still nowadays judge a company in more like how much good it does to the community even more than whether it’s profit.

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