Mm-hmm.

Yeah, the simplicity on the other side of complexity, instead of the simplicity on this side of complexity. [laughs]

I would like to share it, and I don’t feel I can share it or be articulate about it at this stage. Everything I say feels like a radical oversimplification.

I’m interested in having a bit more of a landing place, because I want to talk about it, and I want to think about it. I want to write about it, because each little piece that I see feels like major breakthrough, and that it has many tendrils into my ...

I know there’s more. [laughs] It goes on forever. Lives are fractal. There’s a way where my underlying need regarding the vTaiwan is a sense that I started out reading a couple of articles and thinking I kind of got it and got all excited. Then the more I read, ...

That describes it. It’s based on things that I wrote earlier. I don’t have all these things made as the purpose in what I want to do and the rest. Yes, I would love to have a sense of connection and reality. I feel like I already have some connection ...

I would love to hear more details on that.

I feel like vTaiwan, I’m looking through these different lenses of different people who are reporting on it. I don’t know what the elephant looks like myself. I’m curious where you would go. If you wanted to go through it step by step, or you see the general. At first, ...

[laughs] Maybe we will. Maybe I’ll get to bed very late. I don’t know. We will see. I realized after I finished writing the stuff that I sent to you sorting out all these notes, which I’ve been doing for several days now. It summarized in my head, you know ...

[laughs] I don’t know how you do it, I can’t quite picture. I know you had this interviewer ask you, "What are your days like?" and you said, "Depends on what day." [laughs] I don’t know.

Just curious if you had a chance to look over the 10 pages of stuff I sent to you.

Yeah, this is all part of your transparency thing, is making sure everything’s recorded?

No, he knows how to do this. She does. [laughs]