It’s really, really great to meet you.

Cool.

I think if you throw area learning into that, specifically through the settings that HoloLens has been playing with, then you have the ability to create this forest style, like world on top of world, on top of world, on top of world that’s psychedelic, to say the least.

That’s very interesting.

That’s going to be a moment when we actually have the ability to put volumetric scans into space with relative ease and simple authoring tools. That’s when the masters of the medium are going to arise.

That’s a funny thing about VR, as well, is that we always thought that the more cameras, the better and what we’re slowly discovering is that two cameras are better than anything.

How would you do that? You just...

But with movement of subject. If you’re talking about the movement of subject like you’re actually talking about live cap of the subject and then blowing that out into room‑scale VR experience.

But Tango, you’re still talking about single perspective with this one so if you have three Tango phones, you could do...?

It seems to me like they’re so closely aligned that all of the stuff that they did with the Kinect scans and the 5D mount and all that, it’s basically the same, right?

You know all of the open‑source stuff that James George and Alexander Porter and all the Scatter people did?

See, that’s what I’m waiting for in terms of VR capture is just somebody to crack videogrammetry in a way that it’s not this 30‑camera, green screen, whatever. I actually think what you...

We could do that.

Where did you do yours?

How are you doing your photogrammetry scans of yourself? Just with one, two, three detach or are you doing...?

Nice.

Then it can be broadcast out as our virtual selves talking to each other?

Can you then set us up as Second Life avatars?

I think I’m good for now.

We’re running out of time. I need more coffee.

He’ll send a robot to you.

The problems though, can those be solved as quickly as...? Can a problem involving real environmental degradation be solved as quickly as a problem like communication? I guess, you could say that the problem like communication, once it’s solved, can lead to the solutions to the problems of the environment ...

Not to turn this into...Not to take us out of very dark alley, but I remember being in Accra in Ghana and seeing all the smoke rising from one neighborhood and being told later by our camera assistant that that’s where all of the computer waste was sent and lit ...

I haven’t downloaded the app, the magic app, yet.

What’s your ideal thing that will happen next month with technology?

On some days, yeah. If you’re wearing the right pair of glasses and you’re looking at it, it’s very nice. I don’t know. The collaboration with technology, you seem to have very healthy attitude toward it. Does it ever feel to you like things are moving too quickly?

That’s amazing.

Yeah.

Or just be like, "This is a terrible film. Make the human slaves fix them."

Yeah, I guess. I hope so.

Will we accept that in the future?

Solved problem. Literally everything that was published before like April, 2016, has these irreversible stitching errors.

I’m talking about work that I made a year and a half ago, and it’s like, "In my day stitching was terrible." Now it’s like it doesn’t matter, everything’s...

Amazing. That’s hilarious.

There’s a really good "Community" episode about it.

Oh yeah, OK. I thought you meant...

No. It’s fascinating to me.

Yeah.

You’re like the only person that got through it.

Wow, look at you.

...universality. Yeah.

But if I say, "I’m going to burrow into my own perspective and create something that’s very true to me," that sometimes feel like the only pathway to...

If you’re talking about projecting your own dimensionality, there’s certain specificity that is the only key to universality. If I were to go out tomorrow and, say, "I’m going to make a universal piece of work that everybody is going to understand and it’s going to sum up the world," ...

Yeah, totally.

This spectrum of identity does actually exist. That you are who you are no matter what you’re creating, it’s always going to look like you. It’s always going to come out as you.

Every time we make something I want to go in exactly the opposite direction. But the odd thing about that is that you start building up enough work, it all start to look alike, no matter how much you’re thinking you’re like pulling the wheel toward another direction, it’s still ...

Yeah. Basically. But I don’t know what that means and I don’t know whether it’s going to be documentary or fiction aspects. Do you know, I’m pretty obsessed right now with one‑shot virtual reality experiences? 360‑degree experiences that don’t have traditional editing. I think that that comes from, it’s a ...

What?

We want to find a place that has certain cultural signifiers attached to it that send you off in false directions to give viewers a sense that the world is a much bigger place than you can ever possibly imagine.

I think so. Yeah. I think so. The best thing I could say about that video that we’re intending on shooting, "It’s very amorphous right now." But essentially, we want to find a place in Taiwan that no one will recognize outside of Taiwan, so there’s a feeling of complete ...