Although we would love all the viewers of “Click” to know what the Unix kernel was.

Yeah, we’re going to repeat some of the questions as before, basically just shorter and simpler.

OK. What was your first foray into the Internet?

That was brilliant.

Yeah.

No, he had heard it. He’d heard of you and he’d heard of e-petition.

That’s a really good answer.

Cool.

Does that mean that if democracy becomes irrelevant, fossilized, doesn’t reform, it could actually collapse before it’s reformed?

Democracy will have to change, it’ll either be an evolution or revolution, but it can’t stay the same.

Democracy is going to have to change.

What happens to democracies in the digital age that can’t reform themselves in any way?

What could the UK learn from this?

It sounds like technology is also changing people’s expectations around democracy.

Actually, getting a shorter version of something you just said would be good to begin before the sun goes back.

Are there any lessons to the UK?

If they do at all.

I’m going to head over to you about how democracy can become so much better and so much stronger, and seeing examples of it. But if I go back to the UK or much of the States at the moment, the conversation is democracy is dying. Democracy is on the ...

Do you feel there’s a real sense of urgency and peril in this work? What happens if democracies don’t remake themselves?

Spirituality.

Presumably for marriage equality, your view on that would depend on your age or would likely depend on your age, and Internet use, or platform.

Have there been any issues it’s just been unable to find consensus on? Have you encountered stuff which you think are genuinely divisive, genuinely intractable?

Changing the company law, yeah. One of the things we might try and build would be you basically going from seemingly intractable polarization to consensus.

Alcohol?

Can you talk to us about, almost like a brief snapshot maybe of a few of the other main cases that you are most proud of?

Yeah, just say the same thing.

Oh, sorry. You were answering that absolutely brilliantly before the sun came out. Basically…

That’s such a good answer.

It’s a consensus engine, in a sense.

It’s the Digital Minister.

OK.

Is it just budgeting or is it on any particular issue, could I load whatever kind of facts that I think are actually relevant on something?

I’m so, so, what’s the role of facts in all this?

Does that include like a kind of wiki-fied laying out of all the different facts which are disputed and objectives?

Is there an objective, reflective, interpretive and decisional stage in that pre-regulatory announcement?

Every single regulatory announcement?

It’s exciting.

That sets the questioning and the topic which will go into the referendum?

It’s the participatory officer?

The deliberative aspect of this, is it government internal process or not?

So they can campaign?

These are regular referenda, which are often held in Taiwan. At some point, before them, there are a series of questions which are set by the CEC. Is that correct? This is very different. We don’t have referenda at all.

It’s e-petition, agenda-setting…

I wasn’t aware that this had happened at all. What’s the idea then? You use co-gov…Actually, you just tell me.

Has this happened yet, or is this the next round?

Is the idea to use a vTaiwan-inspired process or co-gov thinking before the referendum?

That referendum is a national election?

The referenda are every two years?

Yeah, so how many people has vTaiwan actually affected or influenced? How meaningful is it on the streets of Taipei?

You’re now going to ask the critical question that I hadn’t thought of.