If you don’t need me, I can step out for this, can’t I?

Those are two actually separate words you’re both typing.

At the same time?

I have no idea. I can’t even imagine that. You hit two words at the same time.

In what way?

Like formal typing?

Do you think that’s a natural gift or just training?

That’s absolutely crazy.

How fast is Ya-Ting, 350?

How fast is…

Really?

It’s obviously really important to you, of course, to have a transcriber that is blistering fast.

I didn’t get a chance to see her type.

Really?

Do you think she’s the fastest typer in Taiwan?

We have a bet.

She’s famous in Taiwan?

It’s so funny.

…whose name…

I was learning yesterday about the app is named after your transcriber…

That’s perfect.

Great. Don’t we need more than that?

Sorry.

Already, by yesterday…

What was the other group?

Hang on. To put it very simply, going into yesterday, there were two groups. One group was, “Allow with limitations or allow with lots of limitations.”

It’s got nothing to do with the immediate poll.

We have two groups formed for yesterday.

What had pol.is produced for yesterday’s meeting?

Cool.

What we’ve heard now from both taxi drivers and Uber feels very much like the pre-vTaiwan process. There’s huge amounts of anger, mistrust, distrust.

Some might claim that Uber didn’t stick to the spirit of the agreement here.

In other words, Uber found a way of growing in an area that wasn’t covered by the law that this informed.

That’s crazy.

Really? You can drive the guy himself?

Since this has happened, there’s obviously been a lot…

Final question on Uber, do you think it’s time to have another veto on Uber?

Generally speaking, for decision-makers, having consensus items is completely different then, must be, from activism or lobbying. To be able to take those and to then turn them into something which you’re confident the people will be able to find something to support.

As decision-makers within government, not you specifically but in general… [laughs] You don’t call yourself a decision-maker.

After that, it was a question of fleshing out the detail, and the specific challenges, and then, as you said, coding it into law.

You could even just say it was about licensing.

What were they just very briefly?

All of them enjoyed majority support across both groups.

At the end of all of this, seven consensus items emerged from policy. Is that right?

It’s impossible. There’s like, as you said, a friendly competition to actually draft the most consensual kind of broad-based statements as possible.

They just don’t see them.

Therefore, there’s actually no kind of fun in just playing to your own group.

That’s all about the platform engineering of policy, isn’t it? It displays the most consensual statements overall almost like a leaderboard.

Was this the one where the first genuinely consensus statement across both groups emerged?

Was this the kind of key moment?