Complicated arena we’re navigating. Deliberation is about policy, whether it’s budgeting or de-budgeting; whether it’s a council or a mayor. But comparing the vTaiwan process versus participatory budget - in PB the role of the councils etc have some of their power taken over by citizens. Here we work with legislators. All the signals are ones they want to hear, but don’t have a good way to do so. We send them bills about Uber etc that they know won’t upset people because people have rallied behind it. It’s different to centralized democracy.

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