At the moment we have only reached the magicalness of facilitation in person. People focus on what they’re saying and each other’s faces etc. Doing some virtual reality experiments, but still a year or two in the future. We are using only face to face when there are actual ideas to explore. Facts, objective facts can be shared online. Personal experience can be verified. Feelings take a lot more time. Reduce bureaucracy. Now can be done more effectively online through new tools. But it’s only binding in the agenda of the face-to-face meeting, not in the decision way. Diverge online and then converge on-land. This diamond-shaped process can iterate for a long time. For all the discussion we try to bring livestream and VR. Keep their interest so they can help bridge. Multiple on-land discussions.