My conversation with researchers in these labs, many of them are quite aware of the kinds of pain and suffering that they’re causing, but they may not be aware of the full magnitude of it. On one end there is like this shoggoth meme. And there is this day-to-day bias, discrimination, and whatever epistemic injustice they’re committing. But there was nothing that readily connects the two. So they invent mechanisms, which may not immediately fill in the middle parts that we just talked about.