So because Odi here also deployed our local model in the form of chatbots in Google Chat. And Wendy manages the Discord instance of our ministry. So we actually can have a constant stream of inputs. It’s like an ongoing conversation within our ministry. This is the form of the social object reflection that I really wanted to work within an organization before the organization pushes itself as a civic participation tool. Because then people understand the risks, limitations, and also the idea of what I call bridging statements and what you call cruxes in the system.

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