So, and I did actually visit, and I actually did visit OpenAI in 2017, 18, around that time. And the people I visited became Anthropic. But anyway, I did also visit. So, I think the thing that brings people closer is this common realization that to every one researcher working on safety, alignment and care, there’s 30 researchers working on capability and power. And that is not normal for technology of this sort. And the paradox was that the people who actually work on capability and power, many started as safety researchers. And they say that we cannot study, right, this threat unless we build that threat. But then there is no corresponding investment at the time to, nowadays, we will call it preparedness or anthropic or buffering.