Certainly. The National Institute of Cyber Security, the NICS, was set up specifically for this purpose. I’m also the chair. So, the NICS is a non-departmental public body. So, its counterpart would be like centers of excellence in the academic or private world along other jurisdictions. And because it is not a governmental body, it means that we welcome, for example, international fellows, fellows from both our civic tech community, but because we now aggressively hand out gold cards for anyone with eight or more years of open-source contribution. So, they become like also Taiwanese for three years. And if they want to renew, sometimes they naturalize without giving up their own passport.

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