At that time we’re only prototyping the leaderless coordination efforts, and at some time it still falls back to the old command/control ways, but after five years of practice, I’m really, really grateful for Hong Kong people to show us that truly leaderless movement is not only possible, but actually effective, as a conservative anarchist, that is the philosophy that I have always advocated, and now there’s a real demonstration not in only the protest sense, but demo sense to the world.