This whole focused conversation method, which was introduced to me also during the Sunflower Movement, became a codified platform for co-creation across sectors. That’s the vTaiwan project. After vTaiwan project ran for a year or so, and it resolved quite a few cases like the Uber case was ratified in August 2016, I was invited by the new cabinet, the new Premier to rejoin the cabinet, this time not as understudy, but as a minister in exactly the same office as Jaclyn’s was.