"We’re still happy to have your boss on occasion. I’m not excluding him, but I know what he’s going to say. We’ve had him a lot. Give it a try." They’re still this, "Well, you know, I’m not..." the old, "I’m not going to be perfect at it." It’s like, "We’ll give you training. I do this a lot, and I’m not perfect at it. This is what you want to do."

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