It’s not that we’re switching overnight to UBI, but creating climate in which UBI would be possible. Whether UBI is to be introduced I think it’s up to political climate of the day; it probably would require something like a referendum and we both know what the previous referendum of UBI went! So there is some time before we can get there. But it is important as part of education system, for example, that we don’t teach people to become machines, we don’t teach people skills that are going to be automated by machines, and we don’t teach children they have to fulfill a job in the society in the sense that all the jobs are being drastically changed sometimes overnight through machine learning. So people still work in a creative way that is to make art, but not this idea of people tying to a job forever. I think we need some disentanglement from our culture before we can move to any direction including UBI.

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