Sorry. Can you just say that again? Just in terms of this. For instance, what about all democracies taking this on? Taiwan’s a new democracy. Do we want to, what happens to old democracies?

OK.

Yeah, we could use that.

Hold it, your mic is rubbing against your clothes.

Yeah, or any other. In a way, it’s a reiteration of the last one, but just a simpler explanation, really. What does it say for democracy in the future? What can the Western world learn from Taiwan?

If you could give a summary answer, that’d be great because it is quite long, just about, “The principles of g0v, include three things.” Then just say what they are.

Start again.

And…yeah.

Democracy, yes. What does it mean to you personally, given your very early interest in computers?

The other question I was going say to you was what does this mean to you personally, the whole thing about using computers to help decisions?

Again, what we…

The alcohol one surely is…

Didn’t Uber, though, Audrey, a lot of the problem with Uber in many parts of the world is that they said that, “We’re just a platform. We’re not a company,” and that’s why they wanted not to be treated like any other taxi company. Was it a case of wanting ...

The question now is, with a concrete example like Uber, we were talking about Uber, how very differently is it?

That’s such a great answer.

Sorry. The sun has just come out. So maddening.

If we take the Uber case, for instance, could you just give us in really simple terms what the divisive arguments were and then what they actually found through the common ground in the same way of what pol.is was saying?

Just start again, one second. Start with pol.is.

Yeah, something like that. Do you want to ask the question of that type, do you think?

Yes. But by doing that, the algorithm quite cleverly…

Infinite questions, exactly.

Yeah, exactly. It does that by actually, am I right in saying it’s not just the one question? He asks, actually, several questions. It sort of works…

If you could just…Yeah, you need to say it.

What about, Audrey, if you tell us about what the whole pol.is platform means in simple terms, in the sense that it can bring people with very different views, who think that they’re enemies, actually find common ground.

Yeah, because it’s very important with many polarized arguments, that facts can get very lost, can’t they?

Representatives.

Audrey, just the other thing is that when you talk about PO, if you can talk about something else, basically because people may not understand what Participatory Officers are.

You can get Audrey to explain that. That would be quite good to hear her talking about Wikipedia.

OK, so what? That’s just a question that people may be thinking.

Just back to basics with me. What about the whole thing about the fact that relatively few laws have gone through the vTaiwan process to become law? I’m playing devil’s advocate here. Does this, in a way, not mean that people are less likely to participate because it doesn’t have ...

OK. What does that say about vTaiwan, then? I mean, if it’s been going for several years now and there are a lot of people who have not heard of it?

The second thing is…Yeah, do you want to get that one first and then I’ll come in with the second?

Yes, it’s fine but rare, in other words, it’s restricted to a small sector, and therefore, not that relevant to most people. OK, that’s one thing.

Yes, well, there’s two points, yes, one is fine but rare, yes. That’s one question.

What would you say to people who said, well, this is fine, but actually, it hasn’t had…

To him, right?

Yes, that’s what I mean. I get it, but yeah.

OK, can we just get an answer again, but this time, our audience won’t necessarily understand what Unix is, so…

That’s good. Now we’re good.

I think those are good warm-ups.

Yes, please. I think if you can sit.

The sun keeps coming in and out. It appears on your face quite a lot.

No, you don’t have to start over.

Audrey, could you just look at Carl when you’re talking, not…