Take care, bye bye.

The background will be different, the topic will be different. We’ll be talking about digital democracy, but I’m looking forward to chatting with you again tomorrow. Thank you so much for your time today.

That would be absolutely wonderful. It’s an absolute pleasure. What I want to say is, I will see you again tomorrow.

This is pulled together into a text report, but then people can listen to the full interviews if they wish to. I publish this on my website this weekend and Latitude 59, Startup Estonia and another of other communities, and indeed yourself and in your community they are very free ...

For example, both you and Chloe talked about the White Hat community meeting whilst both you and Mike Rogers talked about zero trust. I also take where we’re getting outlier signals, so maybe the faintest signals on the radar that we should be changing.

Just the audio. In fact, what I’m doing is, I’ve interviewed yourself, I’ve interviewed Mike Rogers, he’s the former head of US Cyber Command. I’ve interviewed Dan Shefet, he’s an expert on privacy and IT law here in Europe. I’m including Chloe Messdaghi, who’s actually a White Hat. I take ...

Thank you so much Audrey Tang, it’s been an absolute pleasure having you with us here. Thank you so much for your time for sharing this information. I hope that when we have our next latitude conference we can welcome you back?

That’s a fantastic piece of information for our community here. Anything else that you’d like to share or any questions for me?

Excellent advice. In fact, that chimes very much with one of the other people that I interviewed about this topic. How can people find out, for example, a disclosure policy? Do you have templates that are out there that the people could take a look at? If a White Hat ...

I think, definitely capacity building around that would be a good investment backed up for people. Last question for you, which is, we’ve talked about a number of different things. What is the one thing that we’ve not talked about? You’ve not told me that you believe startups and semi ...

Certainly, this is it. As you said, no one announces when they’re going to be attacking or what shape and form that that’s going to take. Especially for large businesses, but also small businesses, being able to continue on with your business. That’s one way in which you can ensure ...

In fact, technically the old way that we approached it, physical perimeters, that’s been blown out of the water. That doesn’t exist anymore. We’re working at home. We’re working digitally. How do you think that cyber security management must evolve to handle this as we go forward now into this ...

Thank you. We’ve already talked quite a bit about COVID, the impact of the pandemic on us as individuals and how we’ve talked about remote working and hybrid working. Let’s think about cybersecurity management.

Definitely very interesting. I love that you’re building inclusion, human and non human, into this as well, because that…and it can sometimes create exceptions and open up weaknesses in systems. Coming at it from a very inclusive angle means that we should be able to avoid the exception seen before.

Excellent advice. With regarding clear norms, I know that in Taiwan you’ve been doing numerous hackathons, in fact something that spearheaded our search. You’ve done this to promote civic engagement and foster Taiwan’s cybersecurity also. From that, have you been able to build out a framework of norms or templates ...

Which do you think is the most critical to protecting this community startups and SMEs? Is it policies? Is it awareness and education? Is it policing? What’s the most critical to protect their business?

Thank you so much for that. That’s going to be very useful information for our community to check out. Thinking about these startups, the small SMEs, organizations that need to build in some kind of cybersecurity in order to create a robust business.

Excellent, is Sandstorm available outside of Taiwan?

Now, it’s actually how do we have a QR code that we can scan and therefore have a secure relationship over a digital interface such as this one we’re doing now. Very interesting to hear about the QR codes, Might be interesting for some of our startups and SMEs, that ...

Interesting, you mentioned zero trust, I might come back to that in a second. For you, it’s very much about this, how do we move from physical security boundaries to virtual security boundaries, be in the case of the networks or simulated virtual machines, as you spoke about, but also ...

Definitely. This is in fact, as you said, it’s about going across the people private, public, the government, bringing everyone into it. I love what you said about creating different habits, as well. As you said, we’re being attacked by this virus, be it COVID. Digital, we need to find ...

Our audience today is startups and SMEs. Those that don’t have a lot of budget, experience, or expertise in cybersecurity. Our objective is to share with them news and views they can use based on next 18 to 24 months perspective. Lets dive in with our first question to you. ...

Audrey Tang, welcome. It’s an absolute pleasure to have you with us. You are the digital minister in charge of social innovation in Taiwan, originally a software programmer. You joined g0v in 2016. You’re a core member of Taiwan’s Open Source Government. Welcome and thank you for joining this Future ...

We will see how we do. I will kick off.

Thank you so much. Do you have any questions before we kick off?

[laughs] Thank you so much for being available for this interview. This was originally going to be a live interview on stage at Latitude59, which is a tech event focused on startups and SME in Estonia. COVID [laughs] has changed our plans, and as such rather than not getting information ...

[laughs] You’re back.

Well, maybe whilst you’re playing with that, tell you about…Oh, you’re back.

Yeah, the camera is gone now.

Welcome. It’s lovely to meet you as well virtually. Shall I start by just telling you about what we’re doing here? Oh, I’ve lost your image again. Doesn’t matter.

Afternoon. My name is Kristen Davis.