Perfect. Thank you so much.

All right. We cannot overstay our welcome. If we have any more questions, can we just email them?

Was it megabytes? I’m trying to remember if it was megabytes.

Was, was, when it was cut. So, these people had to get by on MEO and really slow, like crazy slow.

And it was really slow, right? The microwave was super slow.

How long would it take to repair the cable?

My understanding was that the Chinese fishing vessel dropped anchor but kept going and just dragged the anchor. Because it’s not very deep, right?

I mean, it’s such an accident to drop an anchor and just keep going, right? Did they both get cut by dropped anchors or…?

And we know for sure that both of those vessels had PRC flags.

Is it constant or has there been… Like obviously during the Pelosi visit, there was like… You saw a spike and then during the president’s visit to the US, there was a spike. But is it year on year? Is it essentially the same or do you feel like it’s ...

Right? Crazy.

And Ukraine.

I feel that you and South Korea have a lot in common.

I mean it is really hard to lay them out anywhere. Are you…

But that is why you have so many issues with cables, right?

Stop talking about earthquakes.

Okay, I should be like on cyber-attack now. Can we please not talk in codes? I need you to talk like really, because I am a cyber reporter and I can’t say earthquakes in my story. You mean three failed cyber-attacks? Or three felt earthquakes?

If I said millions, like first of all, it is kind of amazing that they have the resources to devote millions for the type of team that we need.

And can you sort of describe, like what does that look like? Like someone is trying to shut down a university, someone is trying to hack a university, someone is trying to send a spear phishing email, someone is trying to do this, someone is trying to do that. Like ...

Every day?

It is like how Taiwanese people get up every day and they are like, well, here we go, it is the cloud in the sky and it is looking at us and it is ready to strike us with lightning.

Do you feel like it is a constant, like you wake up every day and you are like, oh, here we go again, we still have to deal with this.

Come on, Cindy. It’s quite obvious by now. Earthquakes!

What advice would you give for this Montana lawmaker?

Because you lived in the States.

Yeah. Right. So, I mean, like, so it’s kind of amazing that you’ve, I just want to feel like if you could share what your experience was like compared to people who, and again, I just sort of, we could sort of have this conversation where this is a completely ...

But you didn’t have like, I’m asking because a lot of the challenges that you’re dealing with here, they’re so… I don’t want to say toxic, but they’re so visceral in the US right now with the gender politics. Like there’s a Montana lawmaker who’s transgender who isn’t allowed into ...

But what was that like for you, that journey, the personal journey through?

That’s true.

On your identity.

Did you ever sort of encounter any real prejudice?

Are you happy with the progress that you feel that institutions have made?

But like given that, given the sort of the skepticism and the cynicism of the moment when you first walked into that building and where you are today, would you ever think that that was ever going to be possible?

With like 9… like less than 10% trust in government?

Do you think that you would be considering how you began?

And do you just, are you happy in government?

Right.

They still came to see you even if they were going to be videotaped and recorded.

Did you have a lot of visitors from lobbyists in the beginning?

So, you basically said, if you come and talk to me, I’m going to tell everyone about it.

And so, it was just you.

I know, but it was in your department.

So, when you brought in the transparency clause, was that just in your ministry or were there other people as well?

And what was your title then?

Since then, you have really sort of… Tell me a little bit about what… Describe that journey to me a little.

But what’s your journey been like since then? Because that was almost 10 years ago.

Wow.

I mean, it’s curious because you kind of put yourself in the middle there. Was there hostility from either side?

What was that like? Because you were against The Man and you were working with The Man.

And so, your appointment was pretty historic and pretty groundbreaking on a lot of different levels.