That’s, again, not a question, but I think it’s a very important observation. I hope we can draw from your experience, again, and find ways in our system to have these conversations.

I don’t know if that was the best place to out, but also because there was no trust on either side, that that would be a credible non-partisan arbiter, and the person or people running that would play that role. This is maybe one example. But this is it’s not ...

Can I just one more thing? Because you mentioned something that is very important, and that is, I think, in the US, we have a deficit of, which is credible non-partisan arbitors of the most precious currency we have, I think, which is free speech. Whether we need them or ...

I think that’s it. Just to add, that’s an important point. I think this is where the Taiwan can help model is a great one because of the innovative work that’s done here that we in the US could use more of to apply to our domestic, even though we ...

Yeah, all right. But to the extent that I’m quite building off the question, though, maybe not to break down the firewall, but then to share these important tools that you talk about of democracy affirming technology to communities within these totalitarian regimes that you can then better utilize it. ...

Are you sharing these tools with Democrats in the Chinese democratic communities?

I always think that it could get worse. But maybe just to describe, do you think the US should keep pursuing the policy of trying to find tools, digital tools, to promote democracy abroad, to get information to the Iranians, to the North Koreans, to the Chinese. Has that been ...

Is that something you find advisable for the US government, for instance, to be doing as a way to promote democracy, human rights, accountability, and all these things that we do? Two, do we have the tools to do it or the bad guy is always going to be ahead ...

Not to be flippant about this, but I never understood the metrics of success in that. Of course, we’ve had events like the Green Revolution and then Iran and others where technology may have played a role in connecting people through these apps. But as a government, I don’t know ...

Can I maybe turn a little bit more towards the democracy and the freedom part of your remit? One of the things across the US government that we’ve had as goals for a global democracy promotion program is circumvention tools to get around authoritarian regime’s control of the information environment ...

That’s great.

Has the LY given you new authorities as this has evolved? Has it been a continual process?

Exactly. How do you work with the other national security agencies and the authorities that you have to do your mission? Can you just kind of describe that a little bit and how that fits into the broader government context?

Minister, how does the authorities that you have in this ministry? I’m curious. You’re a relatively new entity.

Or has the Ukraine war, on the other hand, rendered that impossible because it demonstrated, obviously, the capability of some of these tools, but also the deterrent effect of them. Maybe you should have some thoughts on that.

Yes. Given that our adversaries, in the US, are very deeply embedded, a lot of this is public now in our infrastructure. Is such a thing possible? That’s the first question where, again, through your own process you described trying to see things from others’ perspective. Is it possible to ...

Maybe I could ask one more question. When I was working in Congress in Capitol Hill, there was a serious conversation, and the US government was engaged in this effort in creating international cyber norms, where just…

Well, thank you for that, Minister. Let me just start with a question and again, turn over. How much does this type of manipulation, digital manipulation, deep fakes, your assessment of the threat to democratic governance, I mean, of course, in your position, this is your job. Do you think ...

Somewhat a controversial topic in the United States by the ballots and the counting.

Maybe I’ll open it up. I know we have some colleagues here with incredible depth and breadth of experience on other issues such as AI and other things. I’m sure we can take the conversation from there, but thank you for your time.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on coordination, intergovernment coordination of what are some very significant threats you face from, with both your friendly neighbor to the West, but also just globally.

But also, I realized that very shockingly, we’re not very good at, I think, the United States at coordinating cyber policy or even understanding where various parts of the US government, not even mentioning, Capitol Hill, which is the Wild West of cyber policy, lies.

In your speech, you outlined some of the themes that I’m hoping that we can discuss with you all, which are really pioneering, I think, in many ways. But digital democracy, what it means not just for Taiwan, but for democracies globally, how we can build a network of democracies ...

Well, thank you, Russell, and thank you, Minister. As Russell mentioned, I’m pleased to be part of this delegation. First of all, I wanted to thank you for speaking to our joint event with Russell at the third week of January on Capitol Hill, celebrating Taiwan’s democracy, which is really ...