Thanks so much.

What do I do with the cup...

Start-up space. I don’t know what it will be, but we’ll see.

Thank you so much. I’m meeting Garage+ now. You know that, right, from Epoch Foundation?

For the sake of transparency...

Smartphone picture, but if it’s small enough on the page it would still work, I guess. With the computer, it would...

It’s easy...

Do you mind if I take a picture of you sitting there?

Not much?

Do you feel like the new generation of the...probably you have 20 and teenagers there. Are they much faster or more creative, because they just overtake you already?

You can win and not win, right?

One thing I forgot, though, in the hackathons, of course, now you compete with much younger people, right?

That’s great. It’s been a really interesting talk to me, very interesting.

Thanks so much for taking time, on such a short notice.

Exactly.

Some people are afraid of a boss that is sometimes...

No?

Do you think that helps everything that you do, not being too excited, not being too mad, and so on, [laughs] in your job and so on?

That’s essentially those sports where you’re rather calm, right?

Yeah, exercise.

How about physical activity?

Regarding anger?

When it happens, nevertheless, you’ve got to tone yourself down?

Right, so excitement, anger, joy?

That is possible?

You don’t remember the last time you felt anger, sadness, or [non-English speech] , ache, you know?

Serious?

[laughs] Never?

As we’re talking, you seem to be very calm and so on. Is there anything that drives you mad?

Suppose if you had such a curriculum, would things have been different, or not much?

You dropped out of school at a young age, right?

Would you wish you would have had that kind of a curriculum as you were growing up?

It’ll take effect by 2019.

Can you say two sentences about what that is about?

Is there harassment still? Do you experience any?

You’ve worked in the Silicon Valley, in other words, US. You’ve seen many countries. Compare Taiwan with the world regarding openness towards gender diversity. Is it very pioneering?

Do you use it?

This is how you, growing up, felt comfort in...

Do you think that the digital age helps in promoting this, or making it known?

It’s not really a big issue anymore?

I fairly easily found a banker, an academic, and also a politician. But she was a local politician. At that point she was the first local politician, which is not the same as minister. Do you think it’s a compliment, or is it annoying if being transgender is always associated ...

When was it? Last year or so, I did a story about the labor market performance of transgender...It was unfortunately only trans women, because I didn’t find a trans man in the Philippines. Compared to my home area, which is western Europe, and it was incredibly good.

You’re probably the first.

"Al Jazeera" a year ago or so titled you, "Meet the First Transgender Minister in the World," which is probably a fact, right?

What do people want to know when you have your office hour there? What do they talk to you about?

Wednesday and Friday, that’s the days?

Can you manage, time-wise?

Still, now?

Thank you very much. You’re still doing Hackathons, right?

If it’s OK, I would like to talk about you as a person, as well. I don’t know, how much time do we have left now?