I’m really glad we had this talk. I just felt disconnected. I’ve wanted to find groups that are, like me, on the inside. To me, living a successful life is having a positive impact on society.

Oh, blockchain. Very popular here, too.

Yeah.

Right, because they need...

Similar to what you were saying with Asian parents, my dad is very against me starting a business. [laughs] Also, when I worked at McKinsey, he was already very upset that I left McKinsey to a smaller company.

It’s definitely more targeted to North America.

Oh, thank you. Back to product-market fit, I’m in the user research phase right now, looking for the right kind of parent who is in this kind of situation.

Exactly, that’s the thing, is they have to stay at home anyway, to take care of their kid. Why not get experience, make money, and then in two years you can hopefully get an even better opportunity. That’s what I’m working on right now.

Or, like you said with the entrepreneurship programs, now they have the experience to run another small business.

You can stay at home, take care of your kid, start a business by taking on some other people’s kids, for one or two years. What’s great about it is now they have more work experience on their resume. So hopefully, they can get a better job afterwards.

Yes, sorry. For these moms who have a very hard decision to make, I want to give them a new choice, a third option, which is the option to start a turn-key business. Essentially, it will be a "start a preschool" kit.

For someone who has a one-year-old child, it can be, it really depends on what school you choose, but it could be a couple thousand a month. My rent is only $1,600 a month. It’s more than rent.

My business idea is for the moms who have to stay at home, for different reasons, either because they make less than the daycare cost. That’s one huge reason. Daycare right now is very expensive.

Parental leaves are good for the economy. If you’re forced to quit your job, it becomes harder to return to the workforce, and all these other issues.

Paternity leave is shorter, but I think you can trade now. It depends.

Optional, one and a half years.

Here, in Canada, it’s one year. Justin Trudeau, the Prime Minister, just made it 18 months.

It’s better in Canada. Is it three months in Taiwan?

For three months.

Yeah, so I will try disrupting something in North America instead. It’s still a problem here. Affordability is a huge problem. In the US, it’s even worse, because once you have a child, you can only take 3 months mat leave. I don’t know how to say it in Chinese, ...

So there isn’t much opportunity for me.

My focus is preschool. I learned that Taiwan has universal preschool. And the quality of the preschool is one of the best in Asia.

I was actually looking at Taiwan. I was going to try to disrupt education in Taiwan. That’s when I realized the education in Taiwan is very good, so that’s not a good place for me.

Currently, I’m looking to start my own business. Starting next year, I’m still working my job, but I think taking off one day a week to start my business.

You have to understand that it’s a language, and you can learn any language. Awesome.

Even today, when I share some data analysis with my co-workers, a lot of them will just say, "I’m not good at math." That always bothers me, because it’s not a fixed reality. You need to first change your perspective, to then be able to improve on something.

That’s why I think the values part is the most important part. If you believe you can learn it, then you will learn it.

I think it’s just people are scared of change. You have to bring evidence.

To be honest, if you to really have those values in place, I think you will be exposed to language and math because you need language and math to solve problems and to build things.

I think that’s great.

Yeah, and Reggio...

You still need to know the basics of mathematics to function in a society. My fear with completely open-ended is, what if you somehow, it is possible that you skip any exposure to math?

I think that will have an impact on the rest of their lives. To me, we still live in today’s society. I still think we need some math foundation.

It depends on your age. For example, Montessori, so Maria Montessori, right? It’s all about letting the child guide their experience. Then the teacher is the facilitator. I think that at that age, it’s very important to foster the sense of curiosity, mastery, and independence for the kid to feel ...

I’ve seen the shortcomings as well, which is it’s hard to have a consistent quality of experience. I’m excited towards that kind of education, for sure.

Not theory-based at all, and they start very early as well. I know that there’s a lot of curriculum changes happening in San Francisco. I haven’t seen one that’s, "This is the best idea. This is the best solution," but I could see that there’s already a lot of experimentation ...

Wow, I like that a lot. I have so many thoughts to share. It’s not really a high school, but there is another school in Boston called NuVu studio. It’s immersive in the sense that all day, the students just create a product or something completely innovative and different, that ...

Pitching to different audiences.

Where social capital doesn’t mean much.

Yeah.

Are they interested in funding?

Just private companies. The HTCs of the world, that kind of companies.

I just want to talk a little bit about funding, and about funding issues. There’s two things. One is, have you connected a lot of the different groups, whether it’s social enterprise, or the civic tech groups to, I guess, more traditional...?

I like that analogy.

It is, yeah.

Bata Shoe Museum.

Say Mexican or Korean food. For people in Toronto, that’s their first contact with Korea etc. I was thinking, how could you use that first experience to introduce someone to even deeper cultural significance, or get them interested in that culture? This space is a new one that I thought ...

I never thought about the space, but that makes a lot of sense. Even recently, I was thinking about food, and how food is a reflection of your culture and your history. That could be a way of people don’t know a lot about cultures. I was thinking, food is ...

And the spaces in there.

Not traditional ethnography, but I’ve done a lot of design thinking workshops, which is more about...From IDEO, that kind of framework.