You enter a bilingual one, basically, instead of switching to English, you say, “Turn off the ideographic characters.” I don’t know how that will work, but maybe we can do some mockups and do some real testing.

That’s a very good thought, like, “This is missing. I will contribute.” That’s an interesting thought, and then you just have a portal that says, “Take the Chinese characters away, and you are left with an English website.”

I don’t have a design background native to native speakers. If you think we should do both, that will cost a lot more, but we would like to do both as well.

That’s right. The two obvious solutions is first, accept that there is machine translation during those three weeks, and clearly mark it as such, or we just put everything bilingual. If you don’t see the English, it means that it’s not yet translated.

The whole website is RWD. It’s a good website. If you click English, then you take a time machine and go back to August or even July. I wish that there could be a URL correspondence, as you said, but then that will be broken for a month.

The Mainland Affairs Council at yweb.mac.gov.tw, not sponsored by Apple. yweb.mac.gov.tw is actually extremely fast in responding to news, clarifications, and everything. They have very professional editorship.

To be honest, in many cases where it’s non-machine-translated, it takes weeks for the English counterpart to happen. That’s the main administrative challenge, actually. A very good case is the continental affairs council, although it’s not its official name.

Super confusing.

Right. For example, in, I don’t know, the mounting permit from the police agency, I think, now use Google Translate and explicitly mark it as such, like this is Google Translate.

I think they’ve completely the hand-translation now, so you don’t see any automated translation. One good example is Pol.is. You see third party translation. That’s a clearly, something like that.

No, we have actual translator, but they may be initially machine-translated, in which case it would be clearly labeled as such.

For the hiking website, which is probably going to be our pilot case, you also may actually have maybe actually agenda-setting power in setting whether we develop it in this sandbox way first or a dedicated English site first. What’s going to be useful to you?

It’s a possibility, but this is new. We’re still weighing this way versus an English portal into the same system, which makes machine translation easier to introduce, but also makes errors harder to spot.

Also, most importantly, when there’s a translational error, at least you know it’s a translational error. If it’s a different website, you don’t even know it’s a translational error.

Yeah, sandbox.org.tw. As you can see, this is intrinsically bilingual. Everything is bilingual. Just like, I don’t know, the Canadian prime minister’s Instagram, everything is written twice. This is useful, because firstly, it lets people learn some English. [laughs]

That’s a great question, isn’t it? I think, if you go to sandbox.org.tw, that’s one way we’re thinking about it. I will welcome your input.

Participatory budgeting, we learned mostly from Madrid, from Spain. I think all these came from different places. The e-petition, the latest renovation came from Beta Reykjavik, which is Icelandic technology. It’s a large international community. We adapt from the best.

That’s part of it, but also, it’s also We the People. The e-petition part is directly modeled after We the People, actually. Except with more binding power.

Then we spend some budget, you can track how those budget went, and maybe propose some ideas. That’s a life cycle.

It is explicitly about every single ministry having the transparent accountability, for lack of a better term, across all the policy cycle. From people’s ideas, to collaborative meetings, to useful regulations and implementations.

The same goes to the KPIs filed every tenth, every month, to the administration’s GPM net which automagically appear on the participatory budget platform, while e-petition is user-generated.

No, it’s automated. Whenever any ministry announces a regulatory pre-announcement, like for 60 days, like in regulation.gov, it automagically appears from the gazette through machine-to-machine, to the Join platform.

In the Join, Join is actually three different systems rolled into one. What you are seeing is the consultation part, and we do use Pol.is here. The e-petition part, completely different. The participatory budget part, completely different, but those are three. It’s easier to remember anyone.

That’s right. They contribute to the Pol.is platform.

They may or may not make sense.

Yeah, if you click on any of those pictures, then you accidentally, probably, see some English translations, maybe.

It runs until end of this month, and it is coincidentally bilingual, but not explicitly bilingual in the Pol.is part. In the Join part, it’s more monolingual.

Hike, H-I-K-E. It’s about five topics, the second of which you just did a feasibility testing about, right? Again, it’s like five simultaneous Pol.is conversations. It has a landing page of reasonably clear, I hope, clarification of binding power.

On the Join platform, we also use the same landing page technology. If you go to pdis.tw, pdis.tw/hike, you will see a very similar landing page to the AIT F40.

Yeah, sure.

I know. You mean English-French?

You can come in either language. It doesn’t matter. The Canadian government developed that part, as required by their federal law. Then we adopted it and then also show the majority consensus bilingual as well. They have to be English-French all the time.

Right, but most important thing is always the instructions you give, like how binding this is. Also, the initial seed questions, because they’re going to inform the comments. After you vote on three of them, you’re going to write something that sounds a little bit like those three. That’s the ...

Or maybe talksto.tw is the list of things ongoing, and tca.talksto is the ongoing conversation, maybe. I don’t know. You let me know, and we’ll make it happen.

No, it’s all yours. Just let me know which CNAME to point to. [laughs]

It would be bad for me to own it.

After the four conversations, it will go back to that website. They have sequential conversations. talkto.ait.org.tw points to the current one. talksto.tw doesn’t have to follow the same name. You get to the decide the norm, and I own that domain. I don’t own ait.org.tw.

Also, if you have a better idea of a landing page, I can just point the domain to you.

It’s also moderator, also how to set up a conversation, as well.

Right. You can always add CAPTCHAs and whatever.

That’s the value of robustness, because it could be inspected in multiple dimensions. That’s the first one. The second one is whether it’s been hyper security hijacked, bought, manipulated, and things like that. Fortunately, we’re running in the HiNet government cloud. They’re the same system that hosts our online tax ...

If you look at my GitHub, there’s a repository called Polis Tally, T-A-L-L-Y, where people did run independent analysis. The first time the Polis is using the public sector in Taiwan is 2015, when the UberX case is run. Uber ran their own independent analysis based on this data, and ...

…by yourself.

You don’t have trust. You don’t have to trust the report interface. You can run your own analysis…

Robust in two senses. First is whether it allows for independent analysis. When you set up a conversation, you can just click “Open Data.” If you click that, anyone can export the entire history – of course, not linked to the original social media login, but otherwise, entirely open for ...

Maybe let’s start with the TCA collaboration.

Maybe we can start with actually the talent circulation one, because first, it’s less de facto embassy-sounding. The binding power is not…Somebody from MOFA will talk about this in our next year’s Indo-Pacific consultation agenda, which means a lot for the academia and the organizers, but less so for the ...

I’m interested, but also, we only have 12 days to go.

Not necessarily Apple Daily.

It’s a interesting topic, for sure.