Better than part of the herd.

Why? We’re social animals. We’re part of the swarm.

Yeah.

Yeah, part of the swarm.

It doesn’t work if you take that out.

[laughs] A lot of my experience is just sitting in a rotating chair. I think the rotating chair is part of the mobile VR experience.

Oh yeah, you have to be sitting there. But the most powerful experiences so far that I’ve seen involves very little mobility, as far as the Vive and Oculus experience goes.

I think Daydream is already pretty much there.

The defense is, "Probably, people are going to find them anyway."

The hand‑touching part.

...part of the setting. This is, of course, a very powerful demo. But I do think the scalable way of doing this is some blend between synthetic and the real, like in‑the‑flesh. Like this, I think, is very convincing.

I work in psychoanalysis, so it’s like...

So that you dance in resonance.

Sure. [laughs] They’re orchestrated to basically perform the same movements just for the sake of recording.

This was the one you did?

Yeah, I’m aware of, yes. Just a second. Which was this one, right?

Awesome. Awesome.

"Library of Ourselves."

I don’t think they had sufficient firsthand experience in both media to tell one from another. Because as you said, it’s clunky. With the WiFi appendage, I think, we’re getting there. Just to let you guys know what we’re talking about.

Right. I understand the issue.

I saw the media.

Exactly. You can say to it, "Before entering this discussion, attend this replay of the meeting from the other side’s perspective," but only for five minutes or something. It’s like an inform session before a deliberation but it’s actually working on a fact level. That’s the main idea.

Basically, recorder but the recorder with depth perception because that’s what Second Life gives us. You can recreate just the part of the experience that’s relevant. You can take all the other persons and their accessories out and just focus on the interaction between two people in a very large ...

Exactly.

But that also means that I get to immerse it through, at least today, my co‑developers’ viewpoints and lifestyles and everything because we did capture all the visual information that they got. It’s like the Wayback Machine, the Web archives, but for Second Life.

As part of that work, I was just recording people’s movement and the ways they look. Of course, it’s not VR, it’s not mo‑cap, but it’s a predecessor of that. As part of that, I could just replay the path and the head position. That’s pretty much it. There’s nothing ...

But one part of that led me to basically record the movement of the one real avatar because we want to learn how a person actually cross the space and how to tell which one is the interesting alley here or something or which one is not interesting and so ...

Visually, because Second Life the engine only feeds the textures if you can see it, If it’s in your line of sight. It learned to crawl the spaces, literally, and collect all the vision information so that we can build a search engine so you can ask it like, "Where ...

I started in Second Life. It was very long ago, actually, 2006, ’07, something. At that time, I was working on a Second Life search engine. The search engine was supposed to send those invisible robots to everybody’s spaces in Second Life and look around just like real robot would ...

Sure, yeah.

I think so. Yeah.

Yeah, perspectives. What would you like to talk about?

Yeah. The relevant part here is the fact that I work with some students to recreate their classroom and connect those classrooms together and had interview with some high school students and finally with some anchor. This is the High Fidelity space that I mentioned and everything. It’s mo‑cap, or ...

This is my piece...

Basically, you act one from this menu?

There we go. Yeah, yeah. It’s interesting. Thank you. That’s great. I wish we got a video.

I think there’s just one screenshot there.

OK. It’s loading. I’m not sure what it’s doing. Oops.

"Two sisters’ efforts to rescue their third sister, Kiya..."

That’s it.

Emblematic.

I was just going on here.

What’s the keyword?

This is great, this is great. This is like recreating an actual event of a few minutes long and you can just immersively participate into it.

I see.

Ooh, that’s nice.

Right, right, right.

Is that a glove, or was there a hand‑capture device?

We can edit the transcript afterward.

OK, "Hungry in Los Angeles."