In the clinics realm, group therapy or psychoanalysis, we just fix one endpoint form this large traumatic conflict thing. Of course, you hope that this person can carry some of the help or some of the resilience back to their home network. But wouldn’t that be even more effective if ...
As evidenced by this. Seriously, I do think the more the conflict that they are, the more traumatic it is, the more socially needs for the healing process to happen.
I think this has tremendous potential for post‑conflict work.
Right. Exactly. Although they’re physically in different places, they could still jam using this kind of time‑delayed technology.
For example, you have soloist and then...You always start with the drummer, actually. There was this drummer and then the drummer pipelines to the soloist and to guitar and whatever. Everybody adds a layer to the jam and with very minimal latency and the people in the High Fidelity world ...
It’s a participatory form of sounds. In High Fidelity, because it’s got the open‑source platform that’s built, there’s a really good mixer and they wrote their own audio codec for that. It’s basically, it’s been used for things like this, but also to mix real‑time jamming events.
It’s informed by everything that happens in your vicinity and just maps them to the auditory spectrum.
Yeah, this is old.
It says, "Costs, game." I see. It’s a video game that’s built on this platform.
I have no idea.
Roundware.
Roundware?
No.
But this is really AR because after I’ve been wearing this for hours, I didn’t really feel that it’s there.
AR glasses.
I’ve been spending a lot of time with those AR devices.
This is literally what the cameras do.
All this is just so that people can make art.
I did the SDK but I don’t have the Daydream device yet.
In its very, very early days but not in expansion. I had those three different cameras [laughs] separately in the software stages.
Yeah, probably.
I think it’s in a supergroup but it’s not really in the same department. Anyway, this is just the first. I’m pretty sure that there will be plenty of builds like this because it’s proven to work in a phone.
To what?
It’s all software at this point. The HoloLens is ready and the software part is, at the moment, two virtual machines, so you can’t be in the same mode as Daydream as in Tango but it’s a software problem. I’m sure it could be solved, if they came together and ...
This is, actually, pretty well‑built. It’s not heavy. It’s not a giant Phablet. This is the usual three cams. The idea is that you can use Tango to do real‑time modeling and then put on Daydream to preview. It has weird amount of RAM.
Yeah, this is Tango.
A couple of weeks ago.
I think it’s an Asus phone. ZenFone is a start. ZenFone AR.
... just need a cell phone.
They just rolled out a phone that has both so...
We have a product concept now. [laughs]
Probably within a year or two.
...that’s probably the very good use of it, but it’s very limited and I think everybody will switch to the social side.
What I’m saying is that complete isolation is other than looking at the Milky Way for meditative purposes...
This is also AR or mixed reality but coming from that isolation part of it.
I told them to use SketchUp or whatever to draw their classrooms, which are very regular and to the point where if they put it and switch to Tron mode, you see it’s abled but you also see the surroundings.
...if you enable the pass‑through mode. That is actually a lot of where VR is going. I gave classes to students in Kaohsiung and Hangzhou and I teach them to use the Tron mode of Vive, which is this camera in the front of Vive. You can enable it and ...
To me it’s also a spectrum. There’s earphones. There’s earphones that have noise cancellation which is the audio kind of a VR and there’s earphones that have pass‑through. I have a pair of earphones that basically have, say, very good noise cancellation but it has a microphone that takes everything ...
Yeah, surfacing different levels of reality.
It’s surfacing.
Because I’ve been doing VR classes and everything for 16 years, so for me it’s always about what we ask of the technology, not the other way around.
If you say, "Time box five minutes, 15 minutes, or something to help other people even though they’re complete strangers," then, you discover part of yourself that you didn’t already know.
They’re just false...I do think it’s like ends of the spectrum that you can fluctuate over the course of the day like from being very meditative to very social. I think it’s healthy to explain the phenomenon like this. But it’s not any fixed point in time where you can ...
Awesome.
It’s not an individualist‑collectivist thing. It’s just knowing that personalities, identities, they’re artifacts of communication. If you take the social part out of it that there’s no identities. You can cling to memories and replay and try to confine yourself into identity but it doesn’t have to be like that. ...
It’s the thing because anyone who works in social working or care worker or psychotherapy knows that it’s not really the therapist doing the healing. We’re just channelers, and a lot of experience doing that humbles us a little bit.
A little bit. I study group therapy. I don’t actually analyze people on the couch, but I’ve been doing personality analysis for six years or more. But anyway, it’s a very long time. But I do facilitate groups, group therapy and group dynamics and things like that.
Yeah, sure.
I think there are symptoms, there are causes.
