As soon as I become the digital minister, I changed my public profile title to reflect that. Then they just tell me, "You can’t stay because of your new job."

A few things. I was invited to the World Economic Forum as one of the future of computing council members last year.

I think that’s one option. That’s always an option. [laughs]

Things had to wait for four months during the transition.

That’s right.

The project team. Because I hadn’t heard of that message before. [laughs]

Which team? The minister of foreign affairs and his staff? Did he...?

Yes, that is what this is all about.

We have a foreign talent act coming up.

That’s a nice metaphor. [laughs]

That’s why I said we’ll tackle these issues here, and there’s already dozens of talks to that of recruiting and people will come. That’s a relatively small track, one quarter or one fifth of the complete program. I don’t have a very detailed review of the other corporate of the ...

We’ve been meeting those speakers all over world, hundreds of them by now. [laughs] At least these relatively young people really want to come to Taiwan, because they really need something that’s after certain presidential elections and certain exits that that shows ICT can still have a proactive role in ...

They run this pretty good festival for the impact civic technology in Europe for a few years now, and they’re running it in Taipei this time concurrent with WCIT. The latest news I heard was that it would be considered official as one of the tracks in the WCIT Taipei.

The g0v movement built connections overseas, in particular with mySociety in the UK, which is the people who did the same thing with the government’s digital service.

We’ve been doing that for at least 17 different services and many of them they’ve incorporated changes back to the original website. It’s a sustained community effort between the civil society and the government.

That is to say change the website to something that’s more inclusive and more about the data and more transparent and change the website address from gov.tw to g0v.tw so that it literally only takes one bit of change on the browser bar to be able to shadow one’s the ...

Then you see here is a partnership between one of the local civic tech movements called g0v (gov zero), which is a sustained effort of taking all the government websites which all end in gov that they do online and fork.

I’ll be in one of the panels, and my office is probably going to also put out a proposal to one of the civic tech fest track which is going on right now. We’ll have two sessions from our office.

It builds connections.

That’s exactly right.

Or we contribute to them.

I’m appalled that you even mentioned that.

Right even start with calling it’s six months.

I worked in publishing. My parents were journalists. I am well aware of this.

I don’t think so.

If the message is going to reach the International Space Station they probably...

It doesn’t really translate to impact though.

That’s the readiness pillar now is number one.

The readiness pillar is number one or two, but their regulation is 40 or 37.

Thank you.

We do this just by listening, and building technologies that help us listen to each other.

Just to quote Dr. Tsai Ing-Wen again: "We need to build a unified democracy, not hijacked by ideologies; a efficient democracy that responds to the demands of the environment; and a pragmatic democracy that will let people take care of each other’s feelings."

Anybody, anywhere on the earth, can run this idea of taking something that seems like a technological singularity thing that’s accelerating everything, and turn it over to a plurality that will listen to one side and then the other side, across a time dimension, resolving our differences, and eventually know ...

The process itself is in the commons, so you don’t have to go through the Taiwanese government.

The idea is that voting and clicktivism is very easy. Everybody can do it, but there’s not much bits. By sharing the open data, by having interactive public Q&A forums, by setting up binding forum processes, and by bringing the technology to people instead of asking disadvantaged people to use ...

I have three more seconds. [laughs]

Next week, after I go back to Taiwan, we’re going to have a public consultation about this, on implementing the marriage equality laws, and so on.

The idea is that we turned those physical objects, those Post-It notes, those face-to-face deliberations, we used the room itself as an ambient computer. Instead of just having people typing into their mobile phones, we now automatically transcribe our weekly deliberation meetings and everything into this room-based service system so ...

The first thing that I did as the minister is to recompile the Linux kernel, so that it runs the free software Sandstorm hosting environment, so that this is about running all these open source productivity tools, and guaranteeing, by our cybersecurity department, that they will not do surveillance or ...

The PDIS is interesting, because I’m an anarchist minister. I don’t give commands. I don’t obey commands. All the volunteers in the public service who work with me are volunteers, and we iterate weekly using business origami, with those usual tools.

You can revisit our conversation. I would like to thank the mySociety folks for doing this SayIt structured data, and the Akoma Ntoso format, so that every word that they’ve said and I said are also, for perpetuity, somewhere you can quote.

This is not just online, but also offline. I do meet with lobbyists, such as Mr. David Plouffe here, speaking for Uber at the time. It’s not just on the record, it’s on 360 VR record.

This is my ask.pdis.tw page. It is open source software. I don’t do exclusive interviews. Any journalist must go through these public channels for me to answer publicly, and the public answers all have this URL and so on.

Based on the result of the three-week pol.is conversation, we did have a super-majority consensus that we then used to argue with these people. They all agreed with it, and so it was ratified. After it was ratified, Uber can’t help but play with these new rules, which is why ...

This is our pol.is conversation, that it was seeded with the same URL sent to all the stakeholder groups after a series of pre-meetings that reaches thousands of people.

The Cyberspace Minister at the time, Jaclyn Tsai, said, "I will agree to be bound by whatever the consensus item to make a new regulation about e-taxi and use it to negotiate with Uber."

We not only solve this with open data published by government and invited private sector and civil society, but we also used machine intelligence to try to get everybody’s feelings and give binding power to any feeling that resonates with a super majority with people.

To do this, we need to fix the problem that people on the street speak a different language than people in the government. We need translators, we need facilitators, because without those, people are not even agreeing on basic facts, let alone each other’s feelings. Ideas grow into a more ...

After people converge on a set of feelings that resonates with everybody, we then talk about ideas. The best ideas are the ones that address the most people’s feelings. Then we translate them into legalese and sign them into law.

In the focused conversation method, we separate into four different stages. We collect people’s facts, first-hand experiences, data objective. Then, after that is confirmed, we move to collect everybody’s feelings about those same facts. You may feel angry. I may feel happy. It’s all OK.

For us, the deliberation that involved thousands of people is a scaling down of the deliberation we just did with half a million people. I think we can do it. We designed the deliberation, so that it includes the idea of the focused conversation method, which means listening to each ...