Yeah, let’s do it.

So we maximize the highlights based on the technology that’s not there in the 2000s. Then everybody will remember it is different. If we compare ourselves to 2000 using exactly the same methods, we’d probably fall short, because of the lack of relative political and the other buy-ins. So let’s ...

That sounds reasonable. Let’s just compare with ourselves. If we maximized the elements that are not there in the year 2000, for example the year 2000 doesn’t have live streaming, there’s no mobile app or mobile interaction to speak of, and there’s no virtual reality or anything that can enhance ...

Yeah, that’s the impression I got from the Twitter coverage.

I hear a lot of the baseline comparing this one to the 2001 because it was only in Taiwan, but compared with the previous year we could probably do better.

In Brazil. There’s almost no web presence, there’s no live streaming and not to mention photographic, but the whole...

I just checked the WCIT 2016...

Prime minister.

It’s really good work.

We will see more high quality principal...

Priority override.

Imagineer, right?

Yeah, it’s about quality control.

That’s awesome.

You do have the right to veto though?

That’s one of the technical solutions. As for other things, for example not giving people an impression of a very scattered program, I think that’s up for the project meeting, there’s very little I can do...

It’s not like traveling here and getting asked by random journalists. There’s no political risk, but whether there’s interest in participating in this...

With holographic or telepresence messaging, the cost is small. It’s zero, literally. You’re just looking for a good time. If they agree to answer one of the top questions, you can always prepare them with prepared answers, so there’s no risk for this person.

Sure.

I can send you...

It could be arranged in many different fashions. It’s tendered for movie making. It’s called motion capture. There’s many studios that can do this, and I’m very familiar with the technology because that’s how I build my talks.

If you project on top of it, then it just looks like someone, it’s called gauze projection. It’s the cheapest way. People don’t have to wear 3D movie glasses.

Then you record all this message, and you bring this digital message to here, into Taiwan. Then arrange for projectors to produce a holographic message. If you turn the whole room dark, you actually just need one projector, because then there is a projector screen that’s entirely black.

It’s really easy. Basically, you bring a cylinder-shaped camera setting. At least three cameras, but it’s usually more cameras. Then in middle of it, somebody speaks, just do a speaking.

Sure.

Then people maybe can ask them some questions. We have a system where people can compete for the best questions by liking each other’s questions. It’s called Slido. Maybe they promised to answer three of them, and that’s it.

The speaker prerecords a message, and then we recreate their likeness with holographic projectors.

I did a lot of this kind of PR, holographic projections.

It’s actually cheap to do that. With recording and everything.

I mean if there’s one highlight, or a few highlights. What about a holographic projection?

At the end of the event, what people will remember is just the highlight and the ending. [laughs] If we had some plan, we can still...

Not personally.

There’s a coherent message.

I think that’s a much more short term message that we can spread. That, I can also help. What else? As for the speaker and the program arrangement, you voiced some concern about too many parallel tracks. I don’t actually understand the concern. Would you like to explain that?

I think that the whole point is smart, but at this point, it’s no longer, this is something very interesting going on. As you say, it requires multiple messages, and we don’t have time for that. I think the main message would have to be there’s something that you can ...

That’s what we did in most of the Internet Society, most of their forums, is just to give people who participate from the forums the same input into the things that they talked about as people who are there.

Right, but also framing the live streaming as, by itself, an international event, not something that’s just concurrent to the physical narrative. It also brings online participation.

At least it raises awareness that there is something interesting happening in Taiwan, and some of these really high quality debates and forums going on. Also, there’s archive for future people to discuss about. If that plan is still part of the program -- which I am not sure of ...

Also, as far as I understand, the CEO of the project office, or the deputy CEO, I think, is looking for a live stream solution for the gathering, so that people who can’t attend the meeting in person, either for political or other reasons, they can nevertheless also participate from ...

A few things, if you’re inviting the other ministers, and if the project office requires advice or communications, about the proper treatment of the appearance of this ministry or of guests, that’s something that I can help communicate.

They don’t have a reporting structure with me. That was just copy of their programs. There’s very little I can do to ask them to do anything, but I am willing to help to send messages out.

I am being kept aware of the progress ever since I became a digital minister, because I attend the weekly Board of Science and Technology meetings. I was also told that I’m more involved in the civic tech track, and the other tracks.

Back to WCIT, I am very happy that you are announcing messages forward.

There are people fighting for that very, very heavily, and I respect their effort, but as an anarchist, not really my priority.

I’ve done this in Madrid, we have conversations this way. To me, a silicon body is much more predictable also.

The other governments are pretty appreciative of this flexibility in working with the so-called diplomatic norms, so much so that now, when I’m invited I just say, instead of an airplane that would damage the carbon and whatever, just do a robotic double of me.

For example, there is no rule in multilateral rules that says other ministers can’t see a robot or a robotic avatar of Taiwan’s digital minister, so that’s what I’ve done. Also, in virtual reality and holograms, in all sort of different space that doesn’t require my bodily presence, even though ...

As an anarchist, actually that’s to my preference, but I won’t say that for all our other ministers. I am the exception here. Then I’ve developed a lot of different ways to work around these multilateral, bilateral restrictions.

Sometimes it’s easier to participate as a non-governmental organization calling itself Taiwan with the title in the NGO.

What I’m saying is that it’s not about Taiwan. It’s about the Taiwanese government. This government is, internationally speaking, as you have already observed, I wouldn’t say a turn-off, but that it’s definitely something that warrants much heavier scrutiny -- let’s say that -- when anyone says government.