Yeah.
No, it’s perfect. It raises a lot of questions.
Sometimes it can happen, yeah.
[laughs]
How is it today? What do you do today? Do you have some examples or...?
In some sense, what is public has to be completely transparent. Is that also the idea?
You just have to look at the projection.
Because...
Yes, I don’t know. [French] . OK. Sorry.
Yeah, completely. That’s quite fascinating, because this idea of documenting what’s happening in real time, it’s also a way to change the balance of forces, obviously.
That’s a common problem these days.
Yes, and this was another question. The link between people in Taiwan and people in Hong Kong. At that time, I interviewed a developer in Hong Kong, and he said that they were inspired by what happened in Taiwan a few months ago.
That’s quite interesting. What did g0v do during the Sunflower movement?
That’s really interesting because, well, most hackathons in Europe it’s mostly coders.
Really?
More reflectiveness. How do you get people involved in it?
Completely. This is a way to get more transparency in what you’re saying.
That was so bad.
Can you tell me the story of g0v, when it was created before the Sunflower movement? But it was very active during the Sunflower movement. How did it happen exactly?
For me, this guy is a mystery because I think he really changed, something changed. We had two months ago a big discussion in the parliament about a new law, digital law. He was one of the most precise and aware...
Yeah, it was years ago, maybe 10 years ago. He made an intervention in the HADOPI law, which was completely against the Internet.
Because that’s an anecdote, but it’s really funny. When he was the spokesman of the government, well, no, he was Secretary of State at that time.
Just a question on the side. Is that Frédéric Lefebvre who got in touch with you?
It’s a lovely story.
I don’t think so.
The idea is to put a global focus on transparencies in it?
Yes. OK.
I think more and more of them do.
Can you explain what g0v is?
You were immersed.
Yes, I think so.
I don’t know how to say that, but trying to promote democracy through technical terms?
[laughs] You say that very early you had this sense that there was something in common between personal computers and Taiwan’s democratisation. When did you really get practically involved in that?
When exactly are you getting involved in the IETF?
Rough consensus and running code.
What do you mean? With the same words.
It was quite natural for you to get involved, for instance, in open source?
You had, I would say a first career. I don’t know if it’s the good word but as an entrepreneur, and then you got involved in politics. When did you get this sense that maybe there was something to do with code and politics?
How did you get into code, at first?
...start. Can you just draw on this iPad Pro?
