I spent last 12 years in Taiwan’s social movement and I’m also a coder, that’s why I joined g0v in 2013. I think that either vTaiwan or other platforms that Audrey is trying to implement in gov, traditional civil society just doesn’t learn this kind of stuff. I mean CSOs have learned how to campaign, how to engage people, make protests, and organize events. But we don’t actually know how to talk with people or host deliberation. All we did is trying to convince people or engage someone who has already agree with us. The process of vTaiwan isn’t familiar to the people from civil society. If we want to scale up the impacts of vTaiwan, we have to teach civil society organizations how to campaigning with participation.