Why I’m here, my father was actually radicalized to the climate change denial and ended up being anti science near the end of his life and in October 2020 I was asked to write a research proposal in the meeting and I was stupid or crazy enough to say yes. That was with Tohatoha Aotearoa, which is the organization that formerly known as Creative Commons Aotearoa in New Zealand. I have worked for that organization since 2008.