This basically asks a different set of questions. We’re now asking, so people have all those different positions, but they can talk to me one-on-one in private meetings. However, our conversations then become the agenda for subsequent conversations. For example, there was David Plouffe, working for Uber at the time, [laughs] and who met with me to talk about how they may contribute to environmental sustainability, which is a very nice angle of argument.

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