Take care. Bye.

Cheers. Bye.

Of course. Thank you very much.

This is very, very interesting. I’m going to tell Andres about it. I think he might find this very interesting. Sorry for asking you to spend more time. Thank you very much. Perhaps I’ll probably have to ask you some more questions in the future. I will let you know.

That’s fascinating. I’m going to follow up with Discourse, which I haven’t been doing much homework on it. I will look it a little bit more.

Were you saying the moderators, are they from g0v committee to moderate or a team from Discourse?

One last one. Because he problematized this issue based on his experiences in the US, in the States, I wondered do you think digital forum culture in Taiwan also share the same issue or there are other issue happening in the context of Taiwan, from your previous experiences?

Because you know that they have some difficulties or you know exactly what kind of an issue they have. When you’re building, designing the infrastructure of vTaiwan, say you think of a way to circumvent or try to prevent these things from happen?

He mentioned that there are three big issues they encounter. The first one is the ignorant wall. Then the second one is the silly wall. That’s just my translation. The third one is the too much information explosion wall, as three barriers they encountered.

In one of the speech, you mentioned there’s difficulties, but Michel Hess, this professor...

Why did you choose RegulationRoom? Of course, you mentioned there’s advantages to all this concrete profile they’re doing, that had been done by the people from RegulationRoom...

Last question, because I read some text on the archive vTaiwan, they do a hackathon history, and so I learned that you refer to RegulationRoom as kind of like the prototype.

It’s not that easy, or it’s not that it’s all the same. I think showing some character of the context in Taiwan would be something I want to figure out.

You mentioned something very interesting. Where you have global experiences, sometimes you have to translate, or to make it localized in a specific context, and each context has its personality or characteristics.

That’s his point of view, and I think it’s more than that, so I wonder what else...Is there any specific cases or particular culture that you make it as a reference to build g0v, or to make it as the value of g0v?

I had a talk with Andres because he went to g0v summit 2014, and he said he interviewed you and other key persons. He thinks the value or the logic behind these agile, or anarchy, or either decentralized value of vTaiwan has some connection with the Silicon Valley.

That’s very interesting. I’m going to follow with other [laughs] people from g0v, and so the last one...

This kind of discussion has been made in urban geography or in human geography a lot. I’m just curious, because I found that the Sunflower Movement or all kinds of activity from g0v, even vTaiwan, data hackathon, all these hackathon, they are all located and happen in Taipei. I wonder, ...

I mean to say Decide Madrid, Consul, to some degree has benefited from, say, the resources from Madrid City Hall. Outside that, from Media Lab or from the very talented software engineers who are residents in Madrid, or all kinds, this city as a space for all kinds of experiment ...

I’m going to follow up with you. That’s a very interesting story. The next one, there are some discussion around civic tech and the city.

That’s very interesting. I didn’t know it is g0v, Chia-Liang Kao, and you to push them to open source pol.is.

I wonder, when you are doing this, when you are building or design the infrastructure of vTaiwan, is there any trade-off? There are some people coming from the government. They might have different ideas of the design, what vTaiwan should look like or what kind of software this should be, ...

In the government maybe they focus on the stability and the safety of that piece of software or the system. I wonder, when you are building...vTaiwan is somehow every interesting. It’s somehow in between. It’s a project proposed by a former minister in Executive Yuan, but it’s been built and ...

For example, his perspective, he thinks g0v, when they’re doing a project is focusing on very agile and very specific and very fast. They want to be very effective.

The chief of Department of IT in Taipei City, Lee Wei-Bin, he mentioned you in an interview. He mentioned that when in the government and outside of government state, g0v, when they’re trying to build software or a product, they might have some differences, the value they believe or the ...

That’s amazing. That’s very interesting. [laughs] Next one, did you have other meeting afterwards? I noticed that the time is up, but there’s still...

Thank you. According to GNU APGL Version 3.0, if through open source you get the source code of pol.is and you modify it, you will probably have to publish the modified pol.is. Does it apply to the Sandstorm pol.is?

Christopher wrote this, the term of use and the...

When they say there’s data...I wonder when these comments or all kinds of things becoming data are saved in a data format. If they say they own this ownership input, it’s embedded in Taiwan, I wondered, do you have a say to use this data generated by pol.is? I think ...

Also, I think it express several lines to talk about how many...where all these materials -- I think they used a collective word, materials, to express all this data and all this stuff are owned by pol.is.

I think there’s another part, which is to check the source code.

I think one of them, they say, for example, the comment. When you use the user materials...Is it materials? Yes, user materials. It’s you have a comment in a public domain, and then they might use this data for further analysis. Also, according to I think there is an intellectual...

You have used pol.is in a quite interesting way, in a fast way, in a direct way. Did you have the control of the data? Who owns this data?

When I checked the privacy policy in pol.is, they said every data, every piece of code source, are owned by pol.is and subject to intellectual and proprietary rights and law protection.

No one, I would say in terms of ownership, and that’s very interesting.

The next one, I wonder, all the data collected in the process of pol.is, who has the ownership? I checked the privacy policy of vTaiwan. It said most of the data, it’s from the CC0 license.

Yes, exactly. That’s true. I agree with you.

I probably need to ask them. This is quite popular to use this data. When you have a conversation, those data are collected accordingly, so that you can recycle or reuse those data, kind of like a data market.

Christopher or Colin, do they do these analyses? The privacy policy looks like they are going to do some cross-reference...

In pol.is privacy policy, it say that they might possibly also collect the data when you register either through Google, through Facebook, or Twitter, whatever.

Would you be able to know the geography, the gender, age, or the profiles of the participants?

That’s very interesting. Is this also on GitHub?

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Next one, I’ve seen it on GitHub, they say there’s a data export function. Have you ever used the data export function?

The conversation actually grows more than the seed comments.

Only this one made it?

That’s very interesting. You said those are the seed comments?

Wow.

Do you still have the spreadsheets or the sheets where you create those tedious jobs that I can take a look...

Why do they want to have this function?

When you say you don’t have the report function, is that because you use pol.is as SaaS?