Yeah, it’s true.

Here, just I mentioned the minister meeting in the OECD with the dialogue forum, the post-dialogue, there we invited, well, definitely, one of the factors that we’ve had is Youthwise. OECD has a Youthwise program, which is selecting 10 or 20 young scientists or engineers who should be, get to ...

Well, it’s for democracy, and a smart government, I should say.

I was just wondering your comments that, since you mentioned the reverse mentors…

There’s a reason that politically-skilled NGOs or groups have very strong voices. Then it might be a big danger.

The other one is political obstacles, which is that, as you already addressed, but probably appointing like you as a minister is based on greater leadership of your national presidents. You know, he or she bears that appointing such a character here is politically very much in a difficult. But ...

In that terms, how do you think, I mean, well, you know, most probably we have things that, you know, this costly is a very minor component to and benefits that we can get. But in reality and practice, I think it is really hard to make our policymakers understand ...

One is that, well, it is definitely, we need to have a broader engagement with the society, especially the citizens. But one of the concerns most of the policymakers view is that it takes time. It takes more resources. And the reality is that we’re moving very fast and we ...

May I ask a couple of questions?

In your case, I think that your character and your leadership make it possible to such a cross-ministerial practice, to lower your voices.

And its mission was to support all other ministries. And at that time, and since then, probably up to 1990, it works, I think. It works very well, very well, in terms of the supporting all other ministries toward a better country. And making one consensus toward to the national ...

Since you mentioned that, I have a similar story, which is that in Korean history of the Ministry of Science and Technology, it started with the administration, rather than the ministry. It was created in 1966, and probably the first agency focusing on science and technology, so. But it started ...

That’s right.

They are all building up their walls between the ministries, and they don’t talk each other, and even in a cross-ministerial board, they fight each other. It’s a very usual picture. But in this case, your leadership might be–

Coordination. It’s not usual, but it’s very, very rare. Especially in bureaucracy.

But I have the impression that probably your character and your leadership make it possible, such a cross-

I see.

So I will strongly recommend that you have the spirit, the body, if they agree, if there’s no problem, then probably we’ll provide–

Yeah. Then will you–

I see. Well, I’m very much tentatively, don’t take it granted, but I’m thinking that next year, in April, we will have a ministerial meeting there, but in front of the ministerial meeting, we will have multi-stakeholder, high-level, policy dialogue. There, we are inviting many stakeholders, like university people, and ...

Ah, I understand.

Technical community.

Yeah.

Could you remind me your title with the UN?

You are, actually, right? You were an entrepreneur.

What I’m thinking is that really, how can I say it, you are like a startup champion.

I think you are not just a minister.

The last one might be the international role of the OECD and also engage with the world of societies and cities, that is our main focus. So from your presentation, I’m really sure that we should, I mean obviously we should come over here as well.

But most important part is engagement. In order to heading into these values, we need to engage more broader, more deeper. And all different dimensions, which is one, for example, one dimension might be partnership among different stakeholders. Another might be the whole of government stuff, which is all different ...

I see, I see. This morning I deliver a presentation which is more focused on our plan for designing next year’s ministerial meeting, which is quite focused on transformative science, technology and innovation policy. And this page with the knowledge of governance things. There, for that, we selected three key ...

It is really a big impression that you’re very much open-minded and you can do all these things. It’s really surprised me, impressed me.

Fantastic, wow.

That’s what I read, and I’m really impressed by your leadership in doing so same as the OECD is doing. That’s my impression. Really impressed.

In this morning, I delivered my presentation to the forum, and your introduction of MODA is exactly in the same token that I delivered in this morning. So I think you are the pioneer in this field and on the same page with the OECD. You provided the core values ...

First of all, let me thank you again for inviting us. It’s a big honor for me. Before coming over here, I read your resume or short bio, and I was very much impressed by the catchphrase that you brougt up with and I reconfirm my impression.

Yes, okay.