This is very interesting. I also like the format of those papers. I also think it’s a nice way of…They almost look like bigger labels or something like that.

We have star signs, right? There’s horoscopes every day. It’s not so far away when my partner wants to read me my future, [laughs] “Pardon me,” I’m like, “I’m a Taurus. I’m this star sign that’s least capable of believing in star signs.” Whenever I said, “It’s not my thing,” ...

I didn’t know how to ask a question. It’s a hard thing to imagine how you can move with it or play with it. I was thinking maybe I also need a set of me in there, and we can have a conversation where they just bounce back and forth ...

I’m excited to see that. That’s why I wanted to ask. To the AI, the machine learning part, I was thinking yesterday the AI is now fed with a set of data from Audrey Tang. With the GPT…I always forget it.

Probably two hours, if I know myself. [laughs]

To make an avatar?

I haven’t. I just got it [inaudible 6:56] .

Second thing I’d like to…

Maybe we could see what’s possible there. That’s why I’m excited to get into XRSpace, because I don’t how it feels like.

I was outside. Now it’s like…

Yeah. I want to add two things I thought about. I don’t even know how it looks like in XRSpace because I was on the outside. We have to find a way to record the inside in some way that looks…Maybe it’s also OK to be on the outside and ...

[laughs]

This is a sculpture. This is a sculpture.

So it’s been all of no wind.

It’s raining outside, and I was just like, yeah, it was crazy.

Yeah.

Bye-bye.

OK, mm-hmm.

I wouldn’t see the reason why it should be meat, yeah, like in this case. It could be something, yeah.

Then I guess I have my format. I’ll do different versions of sculptures, like I do world-based sculptures at the moment. Then there’s the question of sizing, or where do you take this place, but a carpet could be a good format to create something within a gallery space, yeah.

No, it would need to be something else. I just, the imagination of a carpet being a format or where something could end up in, or like a way to…If you say, “Let’s think about exhibition space, what could a formative exhibition space be?” it would be then…

No, that would make no sense. The only thing that would make sense is just like the carpet idea into what the carpet could be. I think just putting in the meat carpet could print the 7x7=49 with the herrings. That’s something that would come out from here [laughs] as ...

Then it might just be also just like in the resolution thing, like the carpet has a resolution, which is 72 dots per inch. The image is big. There’s a bunch of, I don’t know, we’re testing out the colors at the moment. I think it’s more like that’s the ...

I just can imagine like these small bronze warriors that all of the people in the show on the meat carpet. I think that’s the essential. It’s like the 7x7=49 here, like all the fish in the space, for the grand red herrings, yeah.

Now, the magazine is gone. The figures are still there, but there’s the end presentation of it, just has this meaty carnage carpet, which is more about idea of fighting for resources. It’s very, very simple like that. It’s, yeah. I think it would be a good place to actually ...

I guess, essentially, the link was widely, “What is a concept? How do you make a concept a story line in order to teach?” That was the link between the two, but they were released at the same time.

There is like a magazine of ETOPS, which is called ETOPS Headache, which is essentially just on the brain. It’s introduced with neuroscientists, that field of research. That’s the conversation. Then, there was an exhibition in London including these bronze figures.

C’est la vie.

I’m pretty sure I get the heads-up tomorrow. That’s how it always works the last seven times I’ve transferred up to here. It’s delayed. I’m calling all day.

Maybe it’s worth trying out some stuff in VR space. Maybe it’s possible, Mike, if we meet to connect me with somebody where we can throw in some images, some objects into…

42?

Forty-nine. 49 fishes. [laughs] That’s very good.

Maybe we have a real space next year in Stavanger. Oh, wow. Who made this now?

That’s the closest to what I can come to imagining the VR space you guys were in. It’s a 2D picture, but you walk on it. That’s going to be the exhibition with the bronze figures. Maybe just throw that in and share it.

I don’t know. Maybe that’s a format to develop the carpet for the…I don’t know. [laughs] It could be something in that direction rather than the printed magazine. The third picture shows just a division of the carpet, how it’s going to be laid out in space. It’s 11 meters ...

I’m working in carbon fiber to replicate meat pieces in large size. This is, basically, you scan the 3D object. Normally, I use industrial scanner. It’s all gray. This time, it was a handheld so it came with this photo which is just basically the mapping to map the 3D ...

In the sketch, you’re on the carpet and you’re standing on this end, ego-shooter mood. It’s bloody and it’s neat. The picture is just very simply taken from another work that I’m doing where we actually scan meat parts in slaughterhouses, because I’m working on a different sculpture project, which ...

If they find this sparse natural resource, they just put it in themselves, they get high, and they race each other. It’s two groups fighting for dope, which was a kids series. It’s interesting what narratives one builds for kids. I’m trying to build a show where basically the whole ...

I don’t know. Did we talk about that? It’s a Lego series called Chimas. It’s a bad series. They only produced it for two years. It has a storyline which is basically different animal tribes fighting each other. One is a fire tribe. One is the ice tribe. They fight ...

It looks red. [laughs] Pretty red. I’m working on this big carpet, this exhibition I’m doing in a couple of months’ time, which is based around this flat magazine ETOPS, which was about the brain. We don’t have to talk about that. It’s the sculpture works that come from that, ...

Are the images going through on Skype? Hi. Can you hear me?

I just want to share something completely off topic here. It’s just something I’ve been working on the last three days, maybe that’s something to come up…Does this work?

Me, too. [laughs]

We’re working on it there. This week, I would have access to it. I have a couple of things. For instance, the idea with the poem, that’s something I’ve prepared some stuff. I want to run that, test it, see how it looks like just to get an idea for ...

I have. I just got a friend of me here to, what do you call it, ask for permission to get it. We had this thing where you had the connection in Berlin, which I also know, but then I was not in Berlin anymore and then Berlin got red ...

Super.

Maybe it doesn’t need to be a sculpture or a print document. Maybe just finding out what we want to put into that time is not the format, but somehow it needs the topic or something like that.

The conversation is like all the directions we’re going in, but maybe there are topics that we could address or talk about so that maybe the one that’s recorded, the one that’s initially becoming what’s being screened can contain all of the stuff that we’ve been working on.

It’s very cool. It’s very good. It works really well. The format here is actually 7x7 or it is one to one. That’s the format in the first place. If it would be ETOPS, that will be the conversation.

Also, when I thought about poem, it’s so powerful. I’m into the idea of using a poem as a job description, and how does the format switch. It’s hijacking or hacking a format to…It’s a job description. It’s a poem. It’s very clear. It’s very condensed. It’s perfect. It would ...