And so, I wanted to like hear where you, when you were excited about that, when you first trialed that, was quite a few years ago, and that was…

Yeah, it’s just like, I don’t know why people think that it’s going to turn out so differently for them. But that kind of like social, you know, the micro-blogging model of the early 2000s, that’s still what we have. So, I’m really inspired by this idea that why don’t ...

But it still feels like just kind of tweaking something that’s not really working very well, social discourse online. And so, and then look at Twitter that they’ve been in. As Elon Musk’s kind of degenerating Twitter, just this flood of people who just want to create a new Twitter. ...

Totally that. Totally that. And one of them, for example, is understanding-seeking. That like when someone asks you a question, you can tell, actually, intuitively if they’re trying to probe you, get information to disprove your point, or if they’re really trying to understand. So, we’re modeling that. And, we ...

So, for a while, we’ve been working on constructiveness classifiers, trying to be like, what’s the inverse to toxicity? And it’s really cool that we can model this stuff. Like, you know, like personal anecdotes, because that breeds empathy if somebody’s telling you that they’re putting you in a position…

Yes. So, like a year ago, we’re like, why don’t we, you know, it’s fine to try to take things off, you know, to help moderators decide what to remove. But maybe we could actually think about what would be the attributes of healthy discourse and what to promote.

Oh, wow. That’s amazing. Okay.

Yeah?

And one of the areas, you know, one of our most popular products is called Perspective API.

Which, yeah, really rocked everyone’s world. So, we’ve been around for 12 years now. The person who used to run it, a guy called Jared Cohen, who I helped… He and I, we started it together. I took over when he left last year. And we’re looking… you know, it’s ...

Okay. So, okay.

So, where to begin… Do you have any recollection of speaking to the Jigsaw team?

Wow.

That was the same time you started…? Oh my gosh.

Oh! Is it just one year?

It feels that way.

It’s really cool to come to your office.