Thank you, Audrey.

Absolutely.

I’m always so impressed here, first, because of your willingness to meet so often. I’m sure you get American delegations daily. We’re grateful for your accessibility, and for the model that you’ve set for the rest of us as we contemplate the challenges we face in our country, too. Thank ...

This has been fascinating. I know we’re out of time. We can talk at least another hour, but I congratulate you on all of your good work and your leadership.

Good.

In my old job at the Democratic National Committee, we spent a lot time jawboning Facebook and all the platforms. Did you end up doing that as well…?

Let me ask you about the Chinese government’s influence. As you know, President Trump tried to ban Tiktok. You said something where you can coexist with the virus…

It makes me wonder. As you look at AI, as you look at autonomous vehicles, as you look at robotics, and its implications for Taiwanese society 10 or 20 years from now, how do you plan for that? How do you address the, what you know are going to be, ...

Speaking of workforce, I have to assume that you have to be so consumed by the threat you get every day, that there’s hardly little time to be thinking about 10 years or 20 years hence. Your comment about social media and how counterintuitive it was 10 years ago…Do you ...

Let’s go back to the workforce. As you’re recruiting and bringing in people, how are you accounting for potential bad actors trying to get in and be a part of the company, infiltrate and be inside?

I would imagine that those who are engaged with this kind of work at that level of skill requires an enormous amount of training and education. Did you have a workforce challenge when you created the ministry, and how did you address it?

Your ministry is, as Todd noted, really an innovation. A governmental response that I hope is replicated in other countries, including the United States, but I’m still unclear as to the structure. As you address those challenges, how do you structurally, an organization, create a ministry to be able to ...

As it changes, you have to stay ahead of the change in order to be able to effectively repel and create a defense mechanism. How does one stay abreast? Is it through research, through trial and error? How do you do that?

Would you describe the threat the same way today as you would when you began? The impression I have is that this technology keeps evolving and ever changing.

If I could go back to this five million a day…I’m trying to quantify what you feel your success rate is. Is it 100 percent? Is it 80 percent? If you had to quantify your ability to respond defensively, how would you describe your success rate?

Trevor, anything?

What is the nature? What kinds of things are they doing, and who are they targeting? What is the…

23 million cyberattacks. That’s hard for me to… [laughs]

How do you stay connected with them, with their old ministry? What is the connection between them?

So, you hold those different departments from different ministries under…?

18F and all that.

Can I just stop you right there? You’re my new hero.

We’ve met with a number of ministries throughout our trip, and what’s your interaction with them? How do you create synergy so that everybody is benefiting?

I’m fascinated, as a student of government right now, by this proposition, a minister of digital affairs. My initial response is I think it’s brilliant. I’m wondering why we don’t have a secretary of digital affairs. I’d love to learn a little bit more from you, not simply about what ...

I would love to get a little more context from you about what your mission is. How do you interact with other agencies? I ran the department of labor for a few years, and we had an internal team, the Defense Department, and frankly, never interacted with those other teams ...

Thank you so much for your time. I find myself staring at this moda, and I had the privilege of working in the federal government for two presidents. I was asking Senator Daschle, who is the chief digital officer of the United States? The answer is, “I don’t have a ...

Two years.

It depends on who you ask.

My first question would be, is there such a country that has more of a national security threat through cybersecurity than Taiwan? Secondly, how would you rate your defense compared to other countries? Are you at the top of the heap? Would you like to get there? How do you ...

I have two questions that I’m going to ask you now, but I would have to assume that there is no country that suffers more from the challenges around cybersecurity than Taiwan.

How would you describe the offense?

I’ve always thought of the challenge around this whole issue of insecurity is all about defense. Is there an offense?

I would ask you this: With that assertion with the rapid expansion of algorithm utilization and with AI, I would think that we’re only at the threshold of what could be growth in disinformation.

I have to interject, that’s counterintuitive. The irony is that — let me think — when it peaked in 2019, we were on the decline.

I’ve been thinking about how I could orchestrate this, all day long.

We’d love to hear just how you see your mission, and how you feel about the success of your experience, so far, and the mutual challenges we face in addressing disinformation and cybersecurity generally as it relates to democracy.

Congratulations. I think the last time I saw you, you were minister at large. Now, you’re minister…

Absolutely. We’ve had the opportunity in the last couple of days to meet, to have so many good meetings, including one with the president. One of the issues that has come up, over and over again, is the tremendous challenge that misinformation in cybersecurity presents to democracy writ large, especially ...

It’s good to see you again.