We just opened up art of tech space that is small. It’s like...

We’ve done one recently in Taiwan. That was really great. I think we’ll do more.

Then they carry their own story also and make them reflect.

I do performance art. I think the key is like using your body and yourself because often in art if there is a difference between the art piece and the artist, but when you do performance art it’s just you right there, right now. To create a narrative and to ...

I do performance art. It’s not theater nor dance or anything like that. I use my body as an installation. [laughs]

If you feel resentment or not heard, then you tend to not listen, but also not really be able to share. What we are doing is combine some of the left-brain side and the right brain side so that the conversation can flourish.

With Liam when we work, I’m an artist in background, and so I use a lot of performance art to deal with the emotions, so that people can then really share their minds and thoughts.

Thank you.

We’ll be in Taiwan probably...

Great fan of your work. [laughs]

Yeah, that’s our website.

This Saturday.

Come, please come.

If we didn’t have...

If there’s anybody that you recommend, that you think...

Just one quick thing. There’s that leadership program. We’re running a leadership program.

11:30.

11:25 I think?

For me, this meeting is more about sharing vision, understanding each other’s vision, to then see, how can both, together, support or contribute to that vision.

I think we have very few opportunities to meet each other, and I think you both are great minds and also with technical understanding of how these work. But I think one thing that is most invaluable is share a vision. How you get to that vision, everybody will find ...

Yes, we’ve seen it.