And this is an area that I think, yeah, Bloomberg’s very interested in.

And I hope, yeah, we were talking about whether we’d be able to get you involved in other things that Bloomberg does.

Well, Samson said that we were quite fascinating. But it’s been a pleasure. And unfortunately, we have to go. You have a clear schedule. But unfortunately, we have other things to go. But no, it was fascinating.

That must have been so frustrating.

Yeah, your parents have taught you well.

When you see, just knowing what you know, do you think that makes sense? That just way of thinking about China’s development and how you would go about slowing it, independent of whether it’s the right thing to try and do?

But I think more interesting is the way they think about slowing China’s technological development and the kind of measures they’ve announced, you know, the export controls and advanced technologies, the growth of the semiconductor.

Just as someone who is so… understands the industry so well, this is more of a hardware question. I’m interested in what you think of the Biden administration’s sort of approach to technological development. I guess in two ways. The less interesting is how they’ve approached developing their own semiconductor ...

Sorry, so the point about 16 by 9 is you can diverge or converge, but you don’t create something…

What are the examples of the change of AI? What you were just talking about? Where have you seen it?

So, do you think that probably you shouldn’t… around the US election, for example, think that, there’s lots of things that one might think that are not important. There’s lots of things that one might be worried about in the US election, maybe even the result we might worry about, ...

Should we be as worried about deepfake? Or should we actually have some trust in some of the learning that you talked about, people actually understanding?

There’s a lot of um… There had been a sort of great panic probably about six months ago, which has not gone away but around deepfakes and elections. I mean the US election, but of course we have many other elections that have happened. And I sense a little bit ...

And where do you think the rest of… Where do you think the US is on that path to full inoculation? If you’ve inoculated the Taiwanese, how far along, how far behind the US or Europe?

When you say we, you mean we globally or we here?

You don’t think that… I mean clearly the very obvious misinformation and the sort of efforts to polarize potentially don’t work anymore, so it wouldn’t work with the Taiwanese. But there’s lots of more subtle things… I mean you can be involved… involve yourself… I mean I thought that was ...

I wouldn’t trust X. I’m not sure X is even going to be here.

No, no, no. Starlink.

Yeah.

But what is the plan for thinking more about the resilient communications resilience for Taiwan, given its position of vulnerabilities? Elon Musk’s going to stand behind you?

You can tell. I’ve been most of my time as an economist, so I find this fascinating. And all of these things are now interacting with the, obviously, the world of economic support. So, I need to learn from you. I’m just trying to get…

And so, what’s it called when you said the exercise you did with OpenAI?

I mean what context were you working with AI and working with Anthropic?

Even if you’ve got an enormous brain like Larry Summers.

Mm-hmm. Interesting. What do you make of… I’m going to do this specifically because you’re such a good observer - What do you make of the OpenAI? My old boss is now on the board, Larry Summers. But do you think that it was sort of negligible given the funny ...

The perception is although there was a feeling that it was too heavy-handed, there’s now a sort of respect for where the EU ended up on some of the sort of data privacy and other issues. Do you think that the… What if they got wrong?

Do you think when you look at how… I mean, are you able to see how those policies are progressing in Europe, like how the EU has thought about digital safety?

But schools? What do you think they should be doing?

And I want to get on to some of the security aspects that you were talking about, but just quickly on AI. So, you mentioned on AI. What do you think is the best approach for education and for the broader society for using AI and understanding of this?

So, what are we going to do?

What about for the next… for China’s next challenge?

Whereas an equivalent, you know, when you have that kind of attack in somewhere like Taiwan or the U.S. or Europe, being a much more digital society, you don’t have that luxury. So, I guess I’m just sort of asking… so do you feel with that experience that you have ...

It feels like… Sorry, I had so many questions coming up but… There was one that thing that you said that I made a bit… Oh, yeah. I was interested the other day; I was looking at an analysis of the attacks that Ukraine had on Russia way before the ...

So, what advantages do you think you have? And that’s an example where you’ve been able to use your unique skills. But what else can we learn from you?

Yeah, I know. So, when you look, you know… For the outsiders, as you would think, Taiwan has an incredibly sophisticated community in terms of technique. And in that sense, you might be a society that’s better able to address, to think about, some of these challenges that we’re all ...

But you do still have a tradeoff that’s inside your head.

It would be good for me as an outsider to understand what you think of as the biggest challenges. And there’s lots of things, stories and things that people are interested in following up.

Hello, minister, I mean, you have an interesting job at an interesting time. So, maybe I should just ask you, what is your biggest focus now? Are you thinking about Taiwan’s digital security and resilience?