Thanks.

It’s interesting. Pretty interesting.

Great, Thanks for your time. Really appreciated and I’m amazed. You’re doing some very innovative things. Is something more agile in your structure? How are you getting away with that? That’s put a bit strongly, but you know what I mean?

We’ll keep that dialog going.

Who would be the right group? We’re talking to fintech base, for example. They’re quite interested in this.

Really?

Even something as simple as that is potentially...Particularly if a company’s coming from outside the country, and they’re looking at the Taiwan environment, that’s it. Is that a demo in there? What is on there on the right side?

It’s funny, because listening yesterday at the fintech base event and the challenge even of firms looking at understanding...that are considering going into the Sandbox environment and understanding the regulatory environment, what is the permission and what are the obligations.

That’s definitely interesting. We’re interested also in terms of whether there’s any interest in the involvement in our project, which we call RIG Simple, which is the comparative analysis of global regulatory information. Any thoughts there on whether...Is there any connectivity possible where we would perhaps connect in?

It sounds like post-February, those paths open up perhaps.

What’s interesting to us is also where there’s a path to research funding, because at the end of the day, somebody has to pay for all this. That would be interesting, Chen, to explore, right?

Three is more than a pair.

We’re very interested in this. What do we do to follow that up, because I could have a Manila team working on this.

They’re not playing with the technology. They’re focused on green bond finance, and they’re focused on more of the traditional approaches. Why they want us embedded is, we’re thinking more like this. They understand this completely, of how it could impact behavior change in a more powerful way than the ...

OK, because we’re now starting to think through for the team that’s actually going to go into the host organization will be the ADB in Manila. In the team, it does exactly this.

That should be reflected in a program like this, I would have thought.

Is that not right?

OK, because as I understand it, one of Taiwan’s strategic objectives is more international collaborations.

It’s available, but it’s not available in any international research collaboration context.

Do they do international collaboration in the research funding, or is it just domestic?

Which University?

We know them pretty well, and particularly, we’re doing some things with their...

Exactly. Ravi, this the LODI discussion.

This is a bit different. I’m interested where this interfaces with finance though. This is taking environmental data and bringing it into the world of finance, to actually drive behavior change. That’s the bottom line.

I mean, out there.

I know, but you’re you.

Who is?

Is anyone here thinking in that line?

There’s a problem in the capital markets right now I see with respect to green-certified financing. This becomes interesting, where you can introduce environmental covenants as another set alongside financial covenants, and accordingly, sanction or reward based on...

This is very interesting because one of the emerging areas that I think we may start to try to research this year, remember I mentioned about the environmental sustainability stuff’?

Is this challenging any corporate interests yet?

I want to look at this.

It’s excellent. I’ve never heard of this. Did we note this?

I agree.

Exactly.

How many are out there now?

That’s awesome. Where is that? Is that publicly some...

That’s quite interesting also because I think you know the whole emergence of citizen science and citizen sensing is challenging authority.

Is that happening in universities, or where is that kind of effort happening?

It’s emerging so rapidly, there aren’t formalized structures collecting this data. We do it through an army of interns and just huge number of collaborations every year, which is labor-intensive, but it’s created these relationships that enable us to draw on that community essentially, to populate this.

That was really introduced by virtue of the fact that we were effectively the sole provider of this alternative finance information that enabled them to understand what was going on in their countries.

That’s right. We’re drawing on the technical resources from within the Cambridge ecosystem, combined with our knowledge. What we bring as a center, I think, is our relationship today with well over a hundred regulators.

It’s still wise to reduce friction on across-border regulatory permissioning and obligations. Simple.

Interesting. What we’re doing is, we’re using a machine learning-based NLP platform to build essentially what will ultimately be a machine-executable base of regulatory information, but in the short-term, we actually have...You can explain. It’s your project.

Omidyar provided an initial funding of, I think it was $319,000, because they recognized the same problem we did, that you got these early successful fintechs in some cases and now they want to go cross-border. Say, they want to come to Taiwan. They’re in Hong Kong...

That’s good, but that’s exactly right. We’re also trying to develop, actually operationalize some technologies also that break down some of the frictions that we see in this mobility. For example, we have a platform that, do you know Omidyar in New York? The Omidyar guys?

...scaling deep. We should copy that.

That’s right. That’s what we’re doing...

Every week, we’ve got somebody somewhere in the world on the team, because it’s a big team now. The idea is this getting deep, but at the same time enabling that connectivity because of course it’s borderless stuff. What’s popping up in Nairobi is going to pop up in Santiago, ...

...Mozambique.