Bye-bye.

Thank you, you too.

I’ll definitely watch that. In fact those were all my questions for today. Thanks very much for talking to me about this.

Obviously, the interview is coming to an end now. Do you think you’ve missed anything? Do you think you’ve discussed everything that you think conveys or at least gives me a sense of who you are and what you’re about?

On one side, the government just one election, it’s the Democratic Party who won. I’m guessing what’s on the cards for 2020 at least when it comes to your job?

Would you say this is a focus for you right now? Is this as revolutionary as my editors would like me to believe, or is this…? I’m trying to get a sense of how important it is to you and how important you think it is.

Thanks. Is it fair to say that blockchain is going to be a major part of governance, or is it just one of many things, do you think?

Have you got any concrete plans to introduce them? The water thing you were talking about, is that just an example, or is that something that’s in practice?

Just to make sure I’ve got the right end of the stick from this conversation, is it correct to say that you’re thinking about incorporating blockchain into your governance?

Who else are you looking to around the world for inspiration?

You don’t feel like you’re already extending the constitution.

A lot of this seems to follow in the premise that the government in which you work would indeed let you do this and use these new technologies. How has it been trying to convince the government in which you work to use these new ideas?

Thanks. More probably, this conversation is about how can you both decentralize politics in a way to get more people included, but also make it more inclusive to everyone involved.

Topics of race or gender tend to be discussed more for jokes than they do in real life, because it’s a very difficult subject to talk about, and even though they often can involve satire, irony, or as you say, more militant forms of humor, they are nevertheless a way ...

Would that also mean to ban certain types of fun? I guess not to ban, but to avoid certain types of jokes. A lot of people frown off subversive jokes, jokes that shouldn’t be said, and they use that as a tool to start a conversation which they might have ...

Do you not think that also it could backfire in such a way that, for instance, in the UK, one of the most popular figures is someone called Nigel Farage. He is very, very funny, but also brought along Brexit, which many, many people disagree with. It can be attributed ...

You think that memes can turn information or viewpoints that you might disagree with into at least a way of getting people involved within the political process.

Yeah. Do you think that’s something you can incorporate into your government as well?

I know in England, for instance, in a recent general election was run by memes in some way, and a lot of…

Do you think that’s one of the reasons why comedians are so popular all over the world? Like in America, the chat shows like John Oliver are incredibly popular, probably because they make politics fun. Do you think that’s probably the way to get people involved in politics? Also, what ...

A lot of these ideas tend to rely on the idea of democratic participation. That’s not always the case. How can you incentivize that to make sure these ideas actually come to fruition?

Sorry, quadratic funding.

I suppose moving different subject a little bit, when I was talking to Zoë Hitzig, she also mentioned that quadratic voting could be used to put forward new form of taxation. Instead of the government just deciding how budgets are spent, taxpayers could also do that as well. Is that ...

They have to work together.

It moves discourse away from just outrage and it was more about consensus. It didn’t use face-to-face session at all.

You also did something called, I think it was called vTaiwan, wasn’t it?

What would a more deliberative agenda setting look like?

What else do you think the blockchain has to overcome perhaps to become fit to purpose for governance purposes?

The government is still very centralized at the moment. Do you see a lot of resistance towards decentralization or maybe adoption of this social technology? Do you think that some of the government will…?

Obviously, blockchain and decentralization is just one of many, many government solutions. Is this going to be what you’re pushing for in government?

Thanks. A key feature of the blockchain or indeed any ledger is that the proof of work line at least in a bunch of blockchains has to pay for the upkeep of the network. Pu together, the state tends to be such that the state would pay for the upkeep ...

How does this interact with ledger technology? I know this is something you spoke about at Devcon. I spoke to Zoë Hitzig, who also is working on something similar. She was also at Devcon. Devcon’s about Ethereum, which is a as you said a ledger or a blockchain.

Which is also a form of decentralized government that lets anyone take part although it does give weight to those people who have more money slightly. How does this feed into what you were just saying?

At the moment am I right to guess that one of your main interests is in quadratic voting, right?

Is this fair to say that your first encounter with the state was one that was coercive and then you felt the need for more inclusive governance?

Your interest is in decentralizing government. Stepping back a little bit, why might we want to do that in the first place?

I obviously come from a blockchain publication, so my interest is in your thoughts on how government can be decentralized. Also, what you think that blockchain plays in governments. if it indeed does? Does that sound good?