I turn off my recorder from now.

It’s my pleasure. Thank you for this opportunity to have this kind of interview. I have some new issues that can be enlightening in some way. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Madame Minister, for you time.

Any issues about deep fake so far in Taiwan?

Team T5?

Or your perception on other?

…that you want to share with me?

It comes to the last questions. We have talked much about disinformation in Taiwan. Do you have any other issues regarding the disinformation that not covered in our interview before…

Any more questions? You?

How they do that? They use their official accounts, LINE or Twitter?

Every ministry has the right to counter the disinformation?

Welfare.

Any other questions from you all?

Not from the government, so let the TFCC do that.

You use the same strategy in the infodemics?

I forget the name of the website. We look at some countries, and Taiwan one of them. The only three countries that use fact-checkers provided by government regarding the infodemics, and Taiwan is not one of them.

Interesting. In terms of infodemics, we’ve done some research on some countries using the website, and then we took from…What we call the website?

Yes, indirect. That’s why, in some countries, they’re doing the top-down approach.

In some countries, they believe that using that kind of social-sector approach or similar to like that, using that takes time to do that. Does it…

In some countries, there are some issues with disinformation and democracy. How do you perceive this in Taiwan?

It’s common to use scare tactics in spreading disinformation?

…trustable. Sometimes the disinformation getting spread wider because the personal efficacy. Here, if someone just don’t care about it, “I don’t care about this. I don’t have any issues about that, and I don’t care about it.” Which one is more dominant in here?

Or the issue relevance. Let’s say COVID-19 in February will be fairly…

About that, what do you think is more prevalent in terms of the reason triggering the spread of COVID-19 fake news or other disinformation? Some researchers found that there are three, at least. Interpersonal relationship, I mean by saying here, if I close to you, then I tend to trust ...

It’s for early 2020.

How about COVID-19, specifically? Are there any disinformation that is still going until now?

In terms of presidential election, some countries also have the echo chambers effect where each of the supporters have entrusted their own links and so forth. Is it happens as well here?

Which one is more dominant? Is it outside or inside the country?

[laughs]

In that case, is it right if I say that the disinformation comes from outside the country?

Who did this, TFCC? Who did all of those…

Have a purpose.

Thank you. For the next question, do you think that disinformation have a special purpose here in Taiwan?

Interesting.

Thank you.

That’s funny.

Research also tells that usually disinformation spread using humor. You use humor to clarify the…

Interesting.

Very interesting. One of the way to fight the disinformation is just giving all the story before the fake news be observed. I think that’s the best strategy to use.

It’s already trending?

…a clarification before the disinformation.

Just to clarify, before disinformation is spread, you predict that, and then you give another…

You use the same data?

Interestingly, how do you know that there’s some issues going up and some issues going down? Are you having something that is…

That’s similar to us.

You said before that you understand that the disinformation, they tend to be high during election or during referendum.

According to your opinion, apart from the COVID-19, what is the most threatening of disinformation in Taiwan.

That’s interesting.

How can they be trusted by…

Do you think it is difficult to handle that? In some countries, doing that kind of approach having difficulties as well. At some point, they become partisan, they become opposition, or they become government supporters.