[laughs] All right, I’ll see you later. Bye.

RadicalxChange. Then yeah, see who I can get together and look forward to all of the things.

Yeah, it was great to catch up. Let’s keep in touch via email. I’ll let you know, I’ll send out some emails in the next day or two to people here, even in the group that you mentioned, the Radical…

Perfect. Audrey, I will let you go, because I’m sure you have…You know, obviously, copious free time. I don’t want to encroach upon that.

They were talking about some of the challenges around creating collaborative environments for employees online. Radical transparency was, let’s just say, a very important theme that came up, to enable better collaboration.

Sounds good. I actually used that phrase in a very different context last night. I think I mentioned to you, I also advise different startups in different spaces.

Oh, OK. That sounds good.

Yeah, that would be great. When you said to loop you in, I mentioned that we had a phone call. I guess, how are you comfortable being referenced?

…it’s the branding of this event. Yeah, let’s be in touch. I’ll keep you posted of how long I’m in Singapore, as mentioned. I don’t have a return ticket back. As long as there’s interesting work to be done here and things still feel quite crazy in New York, I ...

I’ll think about it. That’s the first [laughs] collaboration…

I will keep you posted with…

I might reach out to him and see if he’s interested in participating in something like this, and see if that might make sense. Let’s stay in touch about the Coronathon, if that’s the unofficial/official name.

[laughs] Sounds good. I’ll see if I can reach out to someone there, whether that’s LinkedIn or email, or something. I also know a colleague who graduated from CID last year. I think he works in the government here.

Yeah. That sounds great. What I’ll do is after this call, I’ll go on the GovTech website. I don’t know if you think cold emailing would be effective for this idea?

That makes sense.

Sounds good. In terms of the teams for the Coronathon or the hackathon, is it individual participants are welcome, or is it mostly based by team? If by team, are there core skillsets that are…?

I’ll let you know.

Oh.

Audrey, the question with the Coronathon is, one, do you know around when that might be? I know it’s still hypothetical.

That’s true. As humans, we’ve only been shortening our attention spans and not doing the opposite. That’s always a fun problem.

It’s true, but unfortunately, it seems people have selective attention for what they decide they want to care about or deem an emergency.

Actually, a friend of mine was saying that she thinks coronavirus might be one of the first issues that the world has had to unite against since World War II, which I think was an interesting analogy.

Exactly. That’s true.

Time difference. Once again, something slightly different.

It seems like remote work is going to be the main avenue for a while globally. If an interesting project or collaboration comes up in Singapore, I’m open to staying here for a few weeks or a few months. Of course, if things calm down in the States, I’m also ...

I think right now, I’m trying to manage the different things that I’m involved in, and figuring out where it makes the most sense to be based with everything. I am quite flexible regardless of whether I was in Singapore or New York.

Yeah, or it could be a few weeks. It could be…I think for me right now, it’s also just figuring out. Of course, I think for everyone, the plans have changed quite a bit. Initially, I was actually supposed to be teaching a workshop in the middle of the rain ...

Potentially. I think I’ll likely be here at least until things calm down in the States. It’s a bit hard to say, but it could be…

When we met last summer as well, I shared a bit about my background and some of the things that I’m working on. I was wondering, if you had an ideal case in your mind of something that we would work on together.

Yeah. It’s too much extra time.

That’s great. In terms of some of the work that you’re doing aside from your day job, Audrey, what’s most exciting for you right now with all of the extra time that you currently have?

That sounds good, just open up the website. That sounds really interesting. It sounds good. Then there’s another…I was wondering…Let me see if I can find it. I think in the US, there was also another design lab called, I think, the GovLab in New York. I was wondering if ...

What are some of the other communities? I know you mentioned the Singapore GovTech and then BetaNYC. What are some of the other communities that would be interesting to look into?

As well, to talk about how some of the practices that are being developed for the Presidential Hackathon could be really relevant to a city, specifically like New York, that’s going through a lot of different changes right now and likely will be for a few months.

It could be interesting to explore how that translates to some sort of collaboration maybe even between those two offices. Of course, that is stalled currently given a lot of the other things that are happening, but I wonder if maybe there is a collaboration there.

One of the other ideas I had, I know I mentioned to you that I had been talking to the design group within the Mayor’s office. This is just an idea I’m thinking of right now, so it’s not fully formed. I am thinking, as you mentioned, that there are ...

Got you.

I see.

No problem. I’m just looking. I’ll have to look into that a bit later, maybe. That makes sense. The other question I had, Audrey, with the exception of these types of events where people can join in different teams, do you work with consultants and things like that, that are ...

No worries.

Let’s see. Do you know if there’s anyone in the office in particular, that you think would be good to reach out to?

I’m looking that up right now.

That would be really interesting. Do you know if it would be possible to be connected? I’m not sure that I know anyone in the local community here.

Got you. Those are international participants, not in the hackathon themselves, right?

It sounds like you guys are very open to that. I was hoping just to chat about what you guys have going on, and then if you see ways that we could maybe work together, and maybe brainstorm what that could look like.

I remember we didn’t talk too much about it when we met last. As mentioned, Audrey, it would be great to find a way to collaborate. I guess, part of why I wanted to have this call, which is to chat about some of the things that you have going ...

That sounds fascinating, as I was wondering what new opportunities for innovation come out of this type of challenging situation. I know we had spoken when we were both in New York, about how I have a particular interest, I guess, from a long time, in these types of topics, ...

It’s different.

Yes.

Yeah. That’s true. I can just see the branding now. [laughs]