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Great.

Great.

Fascinating. I think most people say, well, not most people, but there’s a discussion whether anonymity brings that out in you. Maybe it’s just the ability to argue that brings this on.

I can see this being really useful, too. Say this is a very polarizing topic, but these majority groups are kind of close to one another, like...

Very cool.

I’d love to learn a little bit about what you’re working on right now, and what initiatives you’re working on.

I think we’re definitely interested. [laughs]

That’s amazing. Something we’ve discussed is how to figure out how to balance our marketing and our presence in the press.

If you have insight on how we can talk about China, and the spread of Chinese authoritarianism in Taiwan, in a way that’s safe for the people in the room, I’d love to hear about that.

Exactly. I’m trying to understand how we can address this topic in Taiwan without creating problems for the people that are joining our network, but there is so much more relevance to authoritarianism in Taiwan than there is in like South Africa. I don’t really have a specific question about ...

Mexico has a lot of serious political issues that are going on, so does South Africa, though it’s less violent. Both of these, we consider them democracies. Taiwan is a democracy, but it’s confronting authoritarianism in a very direct way that these other locations don’t.

Another element, too, is that our goal with all of our conferences is to create this global community of pro-democracy activists, people from all over the world who are fighting similar battles. It can be tough for us to balance bringing in the international perspective and also addressing local issues. ...

Thoughts? I think this has been really interesting. I feel like basically our goals have been already laid out by Sevim, but I also didn’t go to Taiwan last year, so I’m really excited to come and learn more about the dynamics on the ground and the groups that are ...