Thank you.

You’ve got somewhere to go?

Yeah, very. Good to hear.

Yeah.

And so, you see that as a concrete contribution which Taiwan will make through the W3C and through the new structure?

Okay. Well, that’s great news. I didn’t realize that you were first in. I’m not surprised really.

Okay. So, one of the things that the trust is supporting is the W3C Asia Pacific. So. that legal entity that will be the Asia Pacific hub is being supported by this structure as well.

OK. Just one thing. You mentioned W3C. Are you aware of changes in W3C and its structure and administration?

It sounds to me like you’re fully aware of and fully supportive of an ongoing Internet governance model and process in Taiwan that is needed to keep the Internet running.

Yeah. I’m really glad to hear it. I often say that this term Internet governance, the term, was a discovery back in the early WSIS days. But of course, the discovery was that Internet governance has existed and has been in place and in evolution since the beginning, and it’s ...

Well, I’ll be traveling to DC for the ICANN meetings.

Oh, of course.

Well, I think we’ve been over that. But I suppose on the infrastructure side, I suppose that the Taiwan’s participation in the academic networks is pretty clear. And I’m not sure if there might be an opportunity to have a connection into that network.

I’d be happy to. Sure. Sure thing. Is there anything else?

Congratulations. That’s very progressive.

Very nice.

Interesting.

We normally, we do target the developing nations of the region, but that’s of course not the only, the only people who can benefit from support. So we’re happy to coordinate with you on that if you are interested.

Oh, okay.

So, if you ever have any spare capacity that you’d like to allocate, it could be for Taiwanese fellows or it could be for fellows from other parts that you’d like to support, we could also accommodate that.

If you’d ever like to support any fellows to come along to APNIC meetings, we also have a fellowship program where we might have 400 or 500 applications for people to receive some travel support for APNIC conferences.

There’s a couple of interesting initiatives in India and Japan, which are linking their local communities of R&D and technical protocol design with the IETF as well. So, it’s really, really great to see this kind of activity happening in our region, because we see the lack of it and ...

Right. I was in the last IETF and I took part in the policy makers forum that the Internet society supports. So, they brought policy makers from quite a few different countries around the region and had a number of us providing updates about what happens in our respective parts ...

OK. I heard that you’re also supporting participation in the IETF, Taiwanese participation?

It’s really where internet governance happens in the APNIC community in a multi-stakeholder mode, so I’d very much like to come back in future.

A long time ago we had a conference there which was much smaller, but these days we might have 800 people or so that come along to a conference like APRICOT. So, that’s a big training and professional development and policy development activity.

Okay. Yeah. We’d like to, very much like to have an APNIC conference back in Taipei or in Taiwan somewhere in future. We’ve had four, I think, over the years. The first one was at the old hotel. The Grand Hotel in…

I heard there’s possibly a bid for APrIGF in Taiwan next year.

Probably we don’t need to take you there. We can show you on the map where…

The new site is just… nothing’s happened yet.

The current APNIC office.

End of August. 30th and 31st.

Wow.

19 languages is…

Are they multilingual?

Are there language models in Chinese? Chinese language? Are they being developed at the same scale?

OK I’m interested to read more, actually, about this. Are there some good reference points in English?

Right. So, that is interesting that it’s really unique in that respect. Is there anyone else who’s going in this direction? I’m just quite interested to understand, from your point of view, what’s happening across our region.

So, I’m very interested to learn more about MODA, actually. What’s your scope and your role, particularly with respect to the internet and internet governance? Because I think it’s an interesting model, and I’d like to understand if it is, to what extent it’s similar to Japan and Singapore, and ...

So, there are compromises, but the compromises need to bear in mind the ideals that are still there. And if the ideals are forgotten completely or not understood, then they provide no guidance at all, right? So, you could end up with something that’s very, very different if you take ...

Exactly, because it’s not, you know, those internet principles, the end-to-end, globally open networking, those are ideals, right? No one, unless they’re really purely idealistic, really seriously believes that the internet can be purely open, purely end-to-end, purely perfect in all of those things.

So yeah, that’s not the sort of soft end of the development spectrum. It’s really very critical technical support for security.

So, Jamie Gillespie, who’s here, is one of our specialists in training law enforcement in particular. He’s working in Nepal and a bunch of other countries.

So, you know, it’s another case where the sort of nexus between the highly technical and the non-technical needs to be bridged. So, we try and bring people’s understanding up of the—I mean, I think the roles and the processes and the services and functions that they can use.

Prosecutors and so on.

So, in fact, one of our—we’ve got three pretty high-level security specialists on staff at APNIC. One of them is in Taipei this week, and he’s providing a training… a third training for Taiwan law enforcement, judicial and…

So, we helped to establish the first CERTs in Tonga, in Vanuatu, in PNG, so quite a number of Pacific nations. And we’re also working with other CERTs.

Right. So, we’ve… also through foundation funding and funding that’s come from other sources, we’ve provided a lot of support for CERTs in the Pacific.

The APNIC development work might sound—what I’ve mentioned might sound a little bit soft, probably in terms of its scope and its focus, but one of the biggest developments also over the last five or so years has been more and more work on security, on Internet security, which we ...

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