I see.

That’s OK.

You don’t move the curve outward, actually?

That’s a good point.

I see.

It’s great to hear that civil servants are joining things like hackathons and so forth. Broadly speaking, are there certain directions that you think government and civil servants ought to be building their work competencies and capacity in this area?

Fundamentally, I have two questions that I’d like to ask. First is to just better understand from establishing a policy environment that enables innovation, particularly enabling social innovation, what do you think are some of the different ways, or different kinds of capacity the government has to build for itself?

I actually had some questions, taking a step back, about the innovation policy environment. Do you have any more questions?

I’m just really intrigued by the fact that actually, cities here in Taiwan have a "CIO." It’s really very progressive in terms of thinking of having that as an investment of government resources, or saying, "Information is that critical."

Actually, even just based on our recent success in SIB models, as well as other innovations that are happening around the region, most of it is being catalyzed by city-level work, because it’s just much more flexible and nimble.

I understand. Thank you.

It creates the sense of co-ownership, as well, if everybody else is involved, in a hackathon knows they have a stake in the data, and the use of that data, subsequently. That’s really exciting. A question about the NDC in terms of data integration is, they have that same mobilization ...

I was going to ask. Council of Agriculture, that’s interesting, what kind of data do they hold on to?

But it’s out of the picture.