Thank you.

OK, fine. Yeah, I understand.

...that practices entrepreneurship.

Absolutely. Happy to do an intro. More of like the futurists...

...around that.

Especially around if you’re very interested in the AI and ethics, that discussion. We can introduce you to some of the people that are really talking very much in this space, as well. I’d be happy to do an intro...

Can you get someone to take a picture?

Unless Gerard is, our CEO.

We have a Slack channel, but everyone puts their daily updates on...

Oh, no, don’t hurry.

We send in daily updates to our colleagues.

Thank you so much. Would be OK if we could have a picture with you?

OK.

Thank you so, so much for your time.

Yeah, absolutely.

It’s great that we’re having these conversations, because a key concern at the moment is the AI ethics. The more we can talk to each other, hopefully we can come a common way of doing it.

Because it’s a very successful story related to digital economy, and because you’re all digital ministers.

It’s hard to navigate the system.

Connections.

December 2013.

You’ve got a nice canal. They’ve made the most and developed the parks and everything, as well.

Stratford, nobody goes there. It used to be a very rough area, and it has still got that association. However, I think because the Olympics was there, and also where Here East is was the press office for the Olympics, so you can imagine the fiber connections and the WiFi. ...

Yes.

You felt like you could breath and be more creative. It depends, but I think if you get a community there, a nice community, then people will come to that.

I really liked it, and she was quite surprise. It’s, for me, because it was quieter. It wasn’t as hectic as downtown.

Going back to your question, I was actually saying to Wallis I love this area. I can live here.

She came in and gave a talk on, "How do you really do negotiation?" We brought in Ben Saunders, who’s a polar explorer, footballers, really for them to talk about how they manage stress, but also goal-setting and everything. It’s this cross-pollination of ideas, about thoughts, but key learnings, as ...

That’s something that we really focus on in terms of even the speakers that we bring. I was just mentioning before, we brought a negotiator. She was the negotiator Taliban and in the government.

I think that’s something that they’re very much encouraging. Even if you look at Shoreditch, that was that mix. Clerkenwell was renowned for design, and then the media companies that they said that would develop in these apps. You had the universities close by, and then you had a bank, ...

I should definitely shout out to them, find out a bit more. Thank you so much.

We know Nesta quite well. We did a previous report jointly with Nesta.

Innovation and democracy.

Oh, OK.

Jeff Morgan?

Exactly. Wow, I like that. It’s very good. Thank you. Thanks for sharing it.

Absolutely. Actually, it’s very nice to be asked how you’re feeling, because people don’t ask anymore. [laughs] It think it’s nice for government to ask.

That’s really good.

It’s like that book "Hooked" and how Facebook have hired both from the gaming, like gambling, to make sure people are hooked on these devices. This is a great way to really understand, "What are people thinking?" That’s always a challenge, whether it’s governments or even companies, to realize.

That is really, really clever. The challenge now is like you mentioned with Facebook. It’s really difficult to reel out from the noise. There’s a lot of noise in terms of opinions.

Wow. That is genius.

Who decides? It’s that train test, isn’t it? If there’s a family here and one man there, how does AI decide?

Absolutely. I went to a really good AI conference in London called COGEX. It was one of the better conferences I went to. It was great, because you had a real mix of academics, entrepreneurs, but those that are working in philanthropy, as well, scientists, but also philosophers. It’s this ...

I know. We always have this.

That’s a great way for people to get used to.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Yeah, yeah. They said.

Really?

Yeah. It’s great.

Yeah.