They get what?

I really feel like I’ve been a big immigration advocate in the United States. I think like also true of Taiwan.

Oh, I see. Of course.

Oh, interesting. It’s pretty open.

Someone told me that. Is that…?

I’d heard that there was like a two year wait for a lot of these people to be vetted.

Very philosophical. One thing that I haven’t heard much about is Hong Kong immigration to Taiwan. I know that lots of Hong Kong people are leaving. It’s not a great place to live so much anymore.

I do like the talking rocks. That’s good.

She was good. Because one of the, small spoiler, alternate realities that her character experiences is actually just her being herself, her real self. That’s one of the alternate.

A goofy movie.

It’s very silly.

It was sort of an American homage to Hong Kong movies.

China’s now retroactively editing a lot of the Hong Kong cinema and stuff like that. Did you see “Everything, Everywhere, All at Once?”

To document the ‘90s era?

I just wanted to see what it was like while I still could. I felt it had already changed a lot. The Hong Kong that I’d seen portrayed in media as a kid in the 90s, it’d already been changed a lot.

I knew that China was going to crack down, and I knew that the city would be really changed. Of course, I couldn’t predict COVID, but I knew that something was going to happen, and the city was going to be changed. I’d never been. I’m really bad at traveling. ...

I wrote a blog post about it. One of my first blog posts I ever wrote was about that same…

That’s interesting. I was in Hong Kong for a little while during the protests and saw some protestors.

Interesting. Taiwan may have inspired Hong Kong more than…

Was it coincident with the umbrella protests in Hong Kong, or was it before or after? I don’t remember.

The Sunflower Movement, you were involved in that, right?

I was always curious.

This was 2018 I would say, maybe ‘17. It was a while ago.

…but I don’t remember what. I think it was for servers.

I’m trying to remember. The claim was some chip that had been sourced from China had an exploit built in…

I heard everyone talking about and arguing about it, but I didn’t know anything about it. Then I asked some people, but nobody really knew whether this was likely to be true or not. Bloomberg stuck by it, but then a lot of people got mad at them.

The one about the Chinese chip exploit. There was an article. It was a big feature story. They didn’t retract it. A lot of people claim that it was wrong. This was years ago when I was working at Bloomberg. I was at Bloomberg Opinion. This was at Bloomberg News.

Was Bloomberg’s article bullshit or not?

That’s really interesting.

Security at the hardware level?

That’s pretty cool.

The US team is good?

Cool.

With all this experience defending against cyberattacks, is cybersecurity a major Taiwanese export?

Right. I see. Does Russia really have any idea to cyberattack Taiwan?

A million cyber attacks and, I assume, essentially all coming from China.

Wait. How do you measure the number of cyberattacks?

A million cyberattacks a day?

Of course, Taiwan hasn’t had a war since the Nationalist occupation or whatever that’s called.

That’s really interesting.

…eventually.

The same as earthquakes?

How worried are people about war?

Sorry, I missed it.

I’ve been in just one big earthquake ever. It was in Japan a long time ago.

How many big ones? When was the last big one that knocked something down?

That’s amazing.

I didn’t feel any.

Oh, wow.

The big one.