No, no, no.

Whereas we’ve been there for a while.

You don’t have inertia.

Why is it that you’re so ready to experiment and move forward? I’m jealous. I’m also jealous of your transit system.

Every country, countries are slowly restricting the usage of juries. Australia got rid of it. So did South Africa. France I think restricted their usage to only certain types of cases.

Yes, more or less, although we are going back on that.

Do you think that people would be ready? That is the main question that’s been bothering me for more than a year. It’s not that long, but that’s when I started working on those things. [laughs] I couldn’t have been working that longer. Do you think that people would be ...

Which also has the added impact of maybe pushing some people to join the movement because they can express their voice and have an impact. I think if we could use similar stuff as pol.is and like that, we could get a nice public debate platform if people join it. ...

It’s representative of the members of the party, which is still OK in a way. The other way around is to take a random sample among that, which should give the same but also maybe half and half, with half going to the global population.

The power is still in the MPs, but the people should inform them. We were wondering, for POP, between letting the whole platform choose which is a possibility, but then it won’t be representative.

No, they’re not binding, which is why it’s OK. If you just had a platform with binding regulations, where people could just down vote, the most active users would have more political power...

You still have a potential problem with that, which is democracy where the ones who are heard are the ones who shout, the ones who are interested.

Is that comments or commenters?

Maximum, you’ve got like 10,000, 15,000 comments?

Yeah, I’m looking at a long tail.

This looks like Chinese to me.

About two per day.

How many of those regulations give rise to public debate per week?

You are quite good at getting the people to do the thing by making it easy only taking a few seconds.

Are people actually participating?

How many people among the citizens...Does it have a far reach?

It’s a variation on the implementation of a given law.

No, I didn’t know what it means...

OK, I see. The French terms are different.

I’m not sure about the respective domains of what is law and regulation...

But not all the laws?

What do you mean everything?

Putting it into République Numérique bill, you couldn’t really put...like from the start it’s open access, so it restricted our freedoms by actually putting them in written law...

Yeah. The people were really against it, for very good reasoning, which is that it went against our current practices, which is that it was open access from the start.

Our work is in mathematics and such. We have the freedom to share it however we want, to put it on arxiv and such. After, I think it was, six months...

I think it was the people from my lab were quite involved in that thing because, for quite weird things because they were against quite a lot of the proposals because it put into all that, for example, the scientists.

Why?

You couldn’t integrate that kind of thing?

Wait. How did that happen?

Are you aware of what...?

Yeah. It’s nice. For that, we need a public discussion. We need a platform. We had one called the République Numérique.

As long as they vote, they have a freedom of speech but they don’t have freedom of choosing what they vote for.

One interesting thing about Geza Tessenyi. He’s the person behind the idea. Is that he’s very interest on that, I find quite interesting, is that the person who’s chosen as a representative, who’s elected, can debate all they want and fight really hard against the ideas.

Yeah, and I think that for elected members, like public officials, anonymity is not a good thing because they have to show what they did to the people.

You can check.

Yeah. If someone votes on something and it might have been influenced or corrupted, then, at least, you know that they voted for that.

...and it’s, as long as you vote on policies and not people, it’s...

Do you know, I read that recently about the French parliament? That the people don’t have secret ballots except for a single reason. There’s a single type of vote where they have secret ballots and it’s to elect the leader of the Assembly for...

Are we ready to get rid of anonymity?

That was the position I explained in a paper that I should submit now, by the way. [laughs] That one way you’re getting rid of the inherent problem of manipulability in approval systems instead of ranking systems, is just getting rid of anonymity.

As long as people are honest.

Yeah. It is. I am quite in favor of approval systems rather than ranking systems, because what happens is that you find the consensus instead of finding the...

Yeah, I saw the preference list and...

Is that basis determination algorithm legitimate? I mean, it seems to work, so... [laughs]